S rank questions

[Vanir]

Trying to achievement hunt this game is clearly a challenge and has been an enjoyable one at that. Whats not enjoyable is completing a 20 minute mission, having achieved all mission objectives, only to get an A+. According to the game's own list at the mission rating screen, not a single item was missing, no one died,all evidence was found, and yet I don't have enough points to get an S rank. Am i missing something? If done perfectly which the game is saying I did, why don't I have an S rank?

[Teuton]

Which mission you trying?

[Bellowoods]

Originally posted by Vanir:

Trying to achievement hunt this game is clearly a challenge and has been an enjoyable one at that. Whats not enjoyable is completing a 20 minute mission, having achieved all mission objectives, only to get an A+. According to the game's own list at the mission rating screen, not a single item was missing, no one died,all evidence was found, and yet I don't have enough points to get an S rank. Am i missing something? If done perfectly which the game is saying I did, why don't I have an S rank?

More often than not a civilian didn't score 35 points. Make sure to take the number of civies and multiply it by 35. For example 10 x 35 = 350 points. However, 9x35 + 1x25 (shot, incapacitated etc) = 340 and that will turn your S into an A+. Same rule applies for suspects.

[nightnight]

Some missions have hidden soft objectives. For example, the bag of money in the beach house or the photo next to the bed in the streamer level. These objectives are not marked in the briefing. Can check guides for total objectives needed. Another thing that sometimes screws it up is "unauthorized use of force" which sometimes feels a bit buggy and issues regardless whether you were careful or not.

To know whether you found all the guns and civies and soft objectives, all you have to do is not press Y to finish the mission as once everything is completed, the mission will automatically end itself.

[ᴮаᴺᴀᵑₐᴶᵤᵑᴷᵢᵉ]

Three times in a row now, on the second mission I've everthing checked, 3050 at the score gauge full, but still A+ rank. On one this is cool because I can now clear the level in less than 8 minutes, but frustrating to have no feedback from the game about what has voided S rank.

[Vanir]

Originally posted by Teuton:

Which mission you trying?

trying the third mission in the campaign, don't remember the name though

[Vanir]

Thanks you guys for the info, the game is great but the game lying to you and not telling when points are deducted is really frustrating after a 20 min run. I did the math on that run and apparently only one civilian was injured. I hope at some point the game is updated so that it tells you exactly what you missed rather than what you're fully penalized for, and for there to be an easy retry mission button, having to load in and out constantly taking forever just to replay the same mission with nothing changed is very very annoying.

[Teuton]

Originally posted by Vanir:

Originally posted by Teuton:

Which mission you trying?

trying the third mission in the campaign, don't remember the name though

I wish you luck, because S ranking other missions like "ides of march" or "greased palms" can cause mental burnout.

[ᴮаᴺᴀᵑₐᴶᵤᵑᴷᵢᵉ]

Originally posted by Vanir:

Thanks you guys for the info, the game is great but the game lying to you and not telling when points are deducted is really frustrating after a 20 min run. I did the math on that run and apparently only one civilian was injured. I hope at some point the game is updated so that it tells you exactly what you missed rather than what you're fully penalized for, and for there to be an easy retry mission button, having to load in and out constantly taking forever just to replay the same mission with nothing changed is very very annoying.

See (screenshot) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3158544826 My previews run what 7:57, no penalty, 3050 score A+ rank but anyway this run is S ranked even with this red line for friendly fire (some AI pepper sprayed each others I guess)

[Bellowoods]

Friendly fire shows up sometimes but no points were deducted, so you can ignore it. On 23 Megabyte the suspect count (and civilians? Don't remember) is not fixed, it can vary slightly +-10. Anyways, the rank is not dictated by score, but only by point deduction, so on your A+ run something went wrong and you didn't get a full score. Without a screenshot we can't tell you what exactly however.

[[TTV]xRuta12x]

Use non lethal and gas, make sure you don't have ammo on your AI secondary weapons, a lot of times they will shoot instead of less lethal especially if you give them shields and run the risk of hitting civs in a crossfire.

The second mission is 23mb per second. You need to make sure to arrest the streamer, find the pictures in the night stand located in room with streamer, find his stream,chats, and find the server room.

The third mission is twisted nerve. You have to make sure to arrest suspects, find the child on the bed, find the dope storage, money room (all 3 in same building upstairs), then find the other two drug labs in the tent building to the right. don't forget to clear the attic and the tunnels as well as back left building.

[Jozsefirst]

S requires you to take all suspects alive on top of achieving a perfect score on the rest of your objectives.

Really hope they change the ROE so it accounts for more things such as efficient use of equipment, overall run time or severity of SWAT injuries to distribute points more evenly so hopefully we dont have to tryhard so much with non lethals.

I get that they want to encourage us to take down suspects with non lethal means as well as lethal ones but this is just a surreal and unrealistic bar for the players.

I think it would make sense if you could improve the rating you stand to receive by going out of your way to take suspects alive but killing them shouldn't hard lock you out of being able to get S either.

If a suspect goes ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and decides to forefit their right to living it's not the SWAT operator who should take the blame for shooting them, granted they did so while respecting every aspect of the Rules of Engagement.

[Sean]

New player here to RoN: i have been trying to get S Rank on thank you come again (gas4u) and i have noticed a few things now watching S rank you tube run, and seeing very high over 3000 points of A+ screenshots.... all cases where a s rank was not given was due to: not score avg of 35 points on secure suspects or civilians secured.... for me it is my secured suspects not being 35 pts per... i was thinking you had to be above 3000pts... but seen A+ 3045 screenshot and they also missed the 35pt per on all suspects secured. So now the question is - how am i being deducted points for securing suspects.... i dont know. but ever screen shot i have seen not get S rank, this has been the case one of the two stats not being the max 35 points per... in the S rank run i saw on youtube (after the 1.0 update) they were more injured then i was, ( i only had one arm red, they had both) so ipersonal injury doesnt effect s rank ( at least minor injury) but i got no idea on the arresting suspects what i am doing wrong. i am not shooting them, often just gassing, yelling and securing.... my AI does not have any lethal means available to them. so not sure what they could be doing wrong. i just know i never gotten the 35 per on all my suspects so far in a lot of tries now.

[Vanir]

You'll only get 35 points if a suspect is secured non-lethally. Best way to go about it is having a full non lethal setup. incapacitating them or killing them will only result in 5 points acquired