2 player co-op impossible on most maps, without AI squadmates

[indigo]

There already is squad AI for singleplayer, so why not allow this in multiplayer too?
The host can be designated as "commander" and issue orders, if that's the problem. The bots have to behave in the same way they do in singleplayer, except one of their slots is the second human player.
This seems trivial to implement, and is much needed for the most common multiplayer pairing: 2 players. The maps are clearly not balanced for just two man squads, and we need more rifles to progress.

[Zaeld]

No thanks. I don't want bots in multiplayer. Multiplayer is currently the only way to avoid going into a game with bots so I don't want that ruined. You can always host your server with your buddy and wait for randoms to join. There's 20k+ players online usually at all times.

[*360 | shu]

Originally posted by indigo:

There already is squad AI for singleplayer, so why not allow this in multiplayer too?
The host can be designated as "commander" and issue orders, if that's the problem. The bots have to behave in the same way they do in singleplayer, except one of their slots is the second human player.
This seems trivial to implement, and is much needed for the most common multiplayer pairing: 2 players. The maps are clearly not balanced for just two man squads, and we need more rifles to progress.

sorry but this is totally ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ i playing also with my mate as 2 man squad and we got for now almost all maps done.... ya some maps with 2 man is very hard ofc but its possible so sorry to say that but you and your mate should just be better in this game and dont expect bots for multiplayer wtf? and ya we tried also couple of maps for 20 or 30 times that we clear the maps with 2 guns

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

The developers have said they want to look at adding bots to COOP, however it is sadly not trivial.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by 𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner:

The developers have said they want to look at adding bots to COOP, however it is sadly not trivial.

I feel like the 'simplest' way would be to give the first two players their own squad of 2.

Like, Player 1 gets red squad, Player 2 gets blue squad. Ends up being 6 units, but it gets around the issue of 'who is issuing commands' that seems like it'd be the biggest deal breaker. When a player 3 is added, remove player 2's squad, and you have 5. When a player 4 is added, reduce player 1's 'squad' to 1 unit, and player 5 is no ai on your side at all.

But I'm sure the devs'll figure it out...hopefully soon. I really want to play with my friends but only two of us own it currently, and we'd only have a third at best.

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

I feel like the 'simplest' way would be to give the first two players their own squad of 2.

It goes further beyond just how to divide up the AI. I think realistically the host will control them until death, and then the second in line gets them. I don't see them letting players expand the vanilla squad size past 5 just to fit in AI.

The real complications come with the actual development of the AI. They're right now programmed to well, focus around one player, so they have to account for another which is probably one of the easier parts. But you also have to worry about all the networking and technical work behind the scenes, preventing desync, ensuring proper transfers, etc. The networking part is the hardest from my understanding.

[*360 | shu]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Originally posted by 𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner:

The developers have said they want to look at adding bots to COOP, however it is sadly not trivial.

I feel like the 'simplest' way would be to give the first two players their own squad of 2.

Like, Player 1 gets red squad, Player 2 gets blue squad. Ends up being 6 units, but it gets around the issue of 'who is issuing commands' that seems like it'd be the biggest deal breaker. When a player 3 is added, remove player 2's squad, and you have 5. When a player 4 is added, reduce player 1's 'squad' to 1 unit, and player 5 is no ai on your side at all.

But I'm sure the devs'll figure it out...hopefully soon. I really want to play with my friends but only two of us own it currently, and we'd only have a third at best.

then learn to play this game than you will be able to be successful in 2 man squad