stupid garbage missions like wtf?

[ANGRYSNOWMEXICAN]

Why the ♥♥♥♥ am I responding to a kid shooting his mom and taking his brother hostage and it becoming some huge mission with a ton of terrorists? I get swat call and all that garbage but never in the history of life has anyone ever swatted someone just for the cops to show up and have a huge shoot out with a terrorist organisation... That's just completely stupid. Alt F4d during second mission when I realized I wasn't responding to a call at a lil home and uninstalled.

Way to ruin a good thing.

[Quill]

It's a swatting call

The clues are all there

If you arrest the woman on the 3rd floor she tells you to talk to her boys

She's the mother

[Quill]

And the clues as to why you're being shot is all there

It's even the soft objectives

[RedOne21]

When you start the mission sometimes you can hear, there are multiple shooters so be ready or smth similar. Also this mission teaches you that not every operation is "predictabale". So you will have to be prepared for anything. Nobody teaches you better about door 'nades than you dying on it for the first time.

[Major Fret]

Something something bad intel yadda yadda.

Problem is the mission really didn't need to pull the rug from under the players. The 2nd Mission shouldn't be hitting double digit bad guy counts. It's too much for newer players (comparatively, you won't see this many badguys until you reach the 5th mission in SWAT 3 and the 4th mission in SWAT 4).

It both fails to ease newer players into the game's mechanics (ROE, using your AI team, using the various gadgets) or provide a real challenge for veteran players such as myself.

[INfusion]

Nguyên văn bởi Q:

Nguyên văn bởi ANGRYSNOWMEXICAN:

Why the ♥♥♥♥ am I responding to a kid shooting his mom and taking his brother hostage and it becoming some huge mission with a ton of terrorists? I get swat call and all that garbage but never in the history of life has anyone ever swatted someone just for the cops to show up and have a huge shoot out with a terrorist organisation... That's just completely stupid. Alt F4d during second mission when I realized I wasn't responding to a call at a lil home and uninstalled.

Way to ruin a good thing.

While I don't particularly disagree with you... Really?
Uninstallng the game because of mission 2 ?

What did you do for the last 36 hours in this game that you have only reached mission 2 ?

4u gas station is fr fr very hard bro I got killed by the super crazy soldier AI bro, before I even got to the entrance dude /s

[Major Fret]

Nguyên văn bởi Q:

Nguyên văn bởi Major Fret:

Something something bad intel yadda yadda.

Problem is the mission really didn't need to pull the rug from under the players. The 2nd Mission shouldn't be hitting double digit bad guy counts. It's too much for newer players (comparatively, you won't see this many badguys until you reach the 5th mission in SWAT 3 and the 4th mission in SWAT 4).

It both fails to ease newer players into the game's mechanics (ROE, using your AI team, using the various gadgets) or provide a real challenge for veteran players such as myself.

Thing is, as far as I remember, SWAT games never became more difficult with increased numbers of suspects. The number never meant much, it was all about how well suspects are equipped and how cooperative these are as well as if there are hostages involved on point blank.

I am hoping for the same in this game.

Eh, 50/50. I think some people have the nostalgia blinders on. For example, SWAT 3 has multiple levels in its campaign that have 20+ suspects (Hotel Carlyle and both convention levels). Once you reach the forth level of SWAT 4, you'll be dealing with 10+ suspects for the rest of the campaign.

That's not to say RoN isn't really borked when it comes to the amount of suspects. The main issue is more the fact that the AI is hyper aggressive and extremely accurate, making every level play out the same. There's other aspects as well, but to keep it short, I've spewed most of my opinions on the official Discord for those who really care. (Someone does, right? Please? )

[Major Fret]

Nguyên văn bởi Q:

Nguyên văn bởi Major Fret:

Eh, 50/50. I think some people have the nostalgia blinders on. For example, SWAT 3 has multiple levels in its campaign that have 20+ suspects (Hotel Carlyle and both convention levels). Once you reach the forth level of SWAT 4, you'll be dealing with 10+ suspects for the rest of the campaign.

That's not to say RoN isn't really borked when it comes to the amount of suspects. The main issue is more the fact that the AI is hyper aggressive and extremely accurate, making every level play out the same. There's other aspects as well, but to keep it short, I've spewed most of my opinions on the official Discord for those who really care. (Someone does, right? Please? )

Too long ago to fully remember, it certainly was 10+ suspects in quite a few cases but 20+ ? Not too sure about that, maybe you are confusing it with Ghost Recon missions ?

I'm 100% confident on this, and I've played SWAT 3 this year. Again, doesn't happen on every level, but there's at least 3 where you have to deal with a minimum of 20 suspects (leans closer to 30 though).

Skip to the end for the scoring. Total of 30 suspects:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olbgbbnb3lQ

[aquila]

eh, its fine most of the time. gotta have some action after all.

but I will say, while the school shooting mission is generally well done, its absolutely laughable how they have like FOUR GUYS there. there is literally a single case in recorded history of a school shooting with two perpetrators, columbine.

its in the nature of these things that the active shooter acts alone. but apparently that was not enough action for void so they turned the school into another "terrorist compound" lmao

[Honnes G.]

Nguyên văn bởi Die Aufseherin:

eh, its fine most of the time. gotta have some action after all.

but I will say, while the school shooting mission is generally well done, its absolutely laughable how they have like FOUR GUYS there. there is literally a single case in recorded history of a school shooting with two perpetrators, columbine.

its in the nature of these things that the active shooter acts alone. but apparently that was not enough action for void so they turned the school into another "terrorist compound" lmao

I think it has more to do with the active shooter AI being somewhat lacking. Playing through that map multiple times, sure one or two civilians end up dead every now and again, but I never feel extremely pressured to seek them out and neutralize them, especially compared to the bombs. They just don't seem that different from other suspects on other maps in terms of aggression and seeking out more targets. If the AI was better than that, I could see a greater challenge coming up against just one or two of them, but that's not the case and it seems like the higher number of suspects is put in to cushion the weakness of said AI.

[ANGRYSNOWMEXICAN]

Nguyên văn bởi DuckieMcduck:

Mission 2 is an extra kick in the nuts because not only you get a grabbag of random rifles from the get go, the AI can see through the tiny gaps in the balcony railings and fire with perfect precision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZcCFIW5xz0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWSeJtE1f3g

Nguyên văn bởi Q:

While I don't particularly disagree with you... Really?
Uninstallng the game because of mission 2 ?

What did you do for the last 36 hours in this game that you have only reached mission 2 ?

They most likely played in early access

i love playing Ready or not online. u rite bout early access.

The difficulty or amount of people isn't even the issue... We went from a gas station hold up... To a swat call that literally brings us into the middle of a terrorist organisation, like what is that? It'd be so much fun to defuse a hostage situation with a kid who killed his mom. (geeze).. Instead it's just a tactical call of duty.

I think it's expectation vs delivered product. Sort've expected something a bit more realistic, considering the game. Once again, not once in the history of swatting, has a swat team been tricked into taking down a terrorist organisation lol

4 dudes(or however many i took, cant remember) just casually comin' to deal with a hostage situation that involves two kids, end up massacring a bunch of terrorists.

Game wants mental health mechanics but immediately throw them into 4/6 V 30 in some random building lol

[Major Issue]

Nguyên văn bởi DuckieMcduck:

Mission 2 is an extra kick in the nuts because not only you get a grabbag of random rifles from the get go, the AI can see through the tiny gaps in the balcony railings and fire with perfect precision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZcCFIW5xz0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWSeJtE1f3g

Nguyên văn bởi Q:

While I don't particularly disagree with you... Really?
Uninstallng the game because of mission 2 ?

What did you do for the last 36 hours in this game that you have only reached mission 2 ?

They most likely played in early access

That's why I will repeat my self over and over again.
Everybody should install No Crack for AI - Cracked Sweet, it literally transforms this garbage AI unplayable game into enjoyable game that plays literally like SWAT4. The guy behind the mod is genius in my opinion.

[NY_Knux]

As a new player, mission 2 was incredibly fun. You people are just crazy

[SouthboundSoul]

They aren't terrorists. They're just low rent hoods he hired to guard his crypto farm.

Its a bit ridiculous, I agree, but I like the mission anyway

[SouthboundSoul]

Nguyên văn bởi Die Aufseherin:

eh, its fine most of the time. gotta have some action after all.

but I will say, while the school shooting mission is generally well done, its absolutely laughable how they have like FOUR GUYS there. there is literally a single case in recorded history of a school shooting with two perpetrators, columbine.

its in the nature of these things that the active shooter acts alone. but apparently that was not enough action for void so they turned the school into another "terrorist compound" lmao

There's actually been a few more than Columbine. There was that YouTuber and his Trans Boyfriend or whatever that shot up a classroom. But yeah, its pretty rare

[SouthboundSoul]

Nguyên văn bởi DuckieMcduck:

Nguyên văn bởi SouthboundSoul:

They aren't terrorists. They're just low rent hoods he hired to guard his crypto farm.

average crackhead with a puny bitcoin farm when he realizes the apartment complex, now filled with corpses, hasn't been completely wedged off by the SWAT team (they weren't even there for him):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXQ3QnTJu-k

Get no scooped!1!1!!!!