Search and Secure command broken?

[StopItStepBro]

it was working fine as of a few days ago but I started up Rust Belt and after completing "bringing order to chaos", I issued the command to search and secure the area but I'm not sure if it was the AI or pathing but the officers refused to do so. I always issue the order to "gold team", which to my understanding is both red and blue combined. After issuing the order about 5-6 times, one officer from blue team finally searched the area but the other three sat in one room.

[Quill]

It seems Room Search is broken but I can get Search and Secure to work

[Nyet Diem]

It's hit & miss. If everything in the room/level has already been searched or secured, you might be missing a "Soft" objective.

[StopItStepBro]

Originally posted by Nyet Diem:

It's hit & miss. If everything in the room/level has already been searched or secured, you might be missing a "Soft" objective.

at that point, only bring order to chaos had been completed, when that solo blue team member finally followed the order, he eventually found a civilian. it's weird because i've issued the order before on the post office map and it worked perfectly.

[Xamp]

In my experience the reason secure commands don't work is usually one or both of the following:

A) There are non-standard pieces of evidence left, such as a table with a bunch of drugs or money on it (soft objectives). The AI can't tag those, only the player can.

B) You're out of range of the remaining unsecured suspect or item.
Sometimes walking to the other side of the map with your squad and giving the secure order again makes them suddenly realize there's still stuff to do. The range at which your squad will look for stuff to secure is pretty high, but it still doesn't span the whole map.

[StopItStepBro]

Originally posted by Xamp:

In my experience the reason secure commands don't work is usually one or both of the following:

A) There are non-standard pieces of evidence left, such as a table with a bunch of drugs or money on it (soft objectives). The AI can't tag those, only the player can.

B) You're out of range of the remaining unsecured suspect or item.
Sometimes walking to the other side of the map with your squad and giving the secure order again makes them suddenly realize there's still stuff to do. The range at which your squad will look for stuff to secure is pretty high, but it still doesn't span the whole map.

To my understanding, Search and Secure was moreso available after you achieve "Bring Order to Chaos" to help you find that one sneaky civilian hiding somewhere. It was an absolute godsend when I couldn't find one on the post office.

So far, I've only issued the command to find lost civilians and the occasional stray weapon somewhere. However, the issue I am running into now is that you issue the order 4-5 times and the AI just lock in place and eventually, only one of them will finally begin searching. Even Search Room only works on occasion too.

And about their range, I'm not sure, I was on Rust Belt near the makeshift boat and when my one AI officer finally went off, he found a civilian in the barn near the start about 2 minutes or so later. I think the command itself is either broken or the AI aren't reacting appropiately.

[Andy Mil]

It workin for me but it was other map. They b ling to collect 1 last gun i forget to collect WALKING arocss map to it. I follow it to see where I could forget the gun

[Obliterated Train Cow]

It just doesn't work for me. Usually it never appears despite meeting conditions, and when it does they just stand there.

[Andy Mil]

For me after playing mooore mission is that last civil they wont go for restrain them. I still have to walk all the way myself finding that last civil to detain

[bUrnIt]

I've tested this...
It's buggy BUT...
"Bring order to chaos" seems to allow unbugged search and secure they will move-in/breach and clear independently.

If there is still chaos:
Any room with open doors will prevent or make "search and secure" too wide/deep into unsecure adjacent rooms.

This pushes me to breach first so I rush to close the next door before my team step too far.

Try closing the space you want to secure, no need to wedge.

ALSO: to debug AI, AIM ground and FALL IN.
to search and secure AIM GROUND (if nothing happens, could be it's secure already, nothing to do)

[Kashra Fall]

Make sure you don't have a wedged door. I had this problem on greased palm. They wouldn't use the command until I unwedged my previous doors. Silly, but it worked.

[bUrnIt]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Make sure you don't have a wedged door. I had this problem on greased palm. They wouldn't use the command until I unwedged my previous doors. Silly, but it worked.

I confirm this, and I forgot to say it myself on my post.
The swat AI doesn't remove wedge automatically on search and secure before or after "bring order to chaos". Seems just right cause if we wedge, it's to keep it closed.
The swat AI will go all the way around if they have access. Otherwise they will conclude the search, ignoring what's behind wedged doors.

[Obliterated Train Cow]

I literally only take magazines with me and none of my guys I equip with wedges. This could be what's preventing someone from using the command, but it's certainly not a standalone cause.