Has anyone here actually beat the 1.0 vanilla (achieve min. A+ for all levels), without using any mods?

[Amplifier]

People here have been complaining about the wallhax enemy AI in 1.0. Curious then, has anyone just played the vanilla game as the devs intended against the enemy AI and succeeded?

And note, by this, I mean:
1) Beating ALL levels with a minimum rank of A+ and nothing less
2) Doing all this in a one-shot campaign playthrough. Not practice mode!

[[BLK] Telu]

For the moment, i have S on the 3 first levels in Solo (without SWAT AI). Not in practice mode. I mean ... I don't like the idea of iron mode mentality. I like to keep my progression even if i fail.

[BlindDany]

Got to "Greased Palms" and got stuck. All previous tasks were completed at S rank without modifications in “Commander” mode.

[Shmello]

Originally posted by reignworld:

People here have been complaining about the wallhax enemy AI in 1.0. Curious then, has anyone just played the vanilla game as the devs intended against the enemy AI and succeeded?

And note, by this, I mean:
1) Beating ALL levels with a minimum rank of A+ and nothing less
2) Doing all this in a one-shot campaign playthrough. Not practice mode!

I'm up to Neon Tomb right now. I'm doing a S rank only playthrough. (I made a exception for Greased Palms, which I have a A+ on) It's definitely possible but it's extremely frustrating at times, especially on Greased Palms.

[Pvt Tommy]

Kinda hate how people are super fixated on grades here. I just play the game and if a mission is too hard to non-lethal, I just kill everyone.

[Shmello]

Originally posted by Swattii:

Kinda hate how people are super fixated on grades here. I just play the game and if a mission is too hard to non-lethal, I just kill everyone.

I think people are talking about it a lot because the game ties cosmetics and achievements to them, which for many players are a big motivator.

[Arkideit]

Originally posted by Shmello:

I'm up to Neon Tomb right now. I'm doing a S rank only playthrough. (I made a exception for Greased Palms, which I have a A+ on) It's definitely possible but it's extremely frustrating at times, especially on Greased Palms.

Good luck on that in Hide and Seek man...

[Pvt Tommy]

Originally posted by Shmello:

Originally posted by Swattii:

Kinda hate how people are super fixated on grades here. I just play the game and if a mission is too hard to non-lethal, I just kill everyone.

I think people are talking about it a lot because the game ties cosmetics and achievements to them, which for many players are a big motivator.

Lol, people can barely get those achievements. I've already decided that it was going to be impossible to 100% for me. Just use an "unlock everything" mod or wait until someone makes an AI surrender on sight mod.

A lot of folk get too frustrated over something that should be played for fun. Though, I understand that half of the blame comes from the developers.

[DrDerpenstein]

I haven't done them consecutively (multiple play thrus with good groups online) but have a significant amount of S tier runs and A (or A+) tier runs.

It is do-able in most instances but you WILL get robbed by ♥♥♥♥-tier AI multiple times before you finally get an A+ on most maps.

I would say that it is impossible to do the "iron man" mode (or whatever it's called) at this current point in the game.

I have not yet read a post or talked to someone in the discord who has beaten "Greased Palms" (Post Office) on S tier yet. I truly don't think it's possible with this AI.

[DrDerpenstein]

Originally posted by Swattii:

A lot of folk get too frustrated over something that should be played for fun. Though, I understand that half of the blame comes from the developers.

I like the mil-sim aspect of the game and don't care too much about cosmetics/unlocks. The problem is that the AI is completely immersion breaking on many levels:
- they can tank shots
- dont react to sting/flash nades
- can 360 no scope you from 100m away
- almost never surrender
- they can wall-bang you even thru 3 layers of walls with no sight picture and having never made contact with you prior (specific examples in mind here...)
- are generally more talented than a swat team even if they're low-level junkies

Games aren't fun if the opponent is cheating - the AI in this game cheat hard core. There is no excuse within the laws of physics for some of the ♥♥♥♥ that's caused my team(s) to lose. I've seen:
- Shot thru 3 layers of wall and die
- Tangos blasted point-blank with the impact flash launcher but walk away
- seen enemies (via mirror gun) perfectly track friendlies walking around in rooms half the map away
- Thrown grenades right at enemy feet that they just walk off
- Enemies take 30rds of 5.56 and walk it off

There's no super-human excuse for most of this. It's purely insane.
Prior releases had 'bad' AI but this is pure '♥♥♥♥'. There have been various mods that fix this and idk why the devs don't take a note from their book.

Basically- this is more than a 'pub style' game, there's a lot more to be appreciated if the devs can fix the blatant bug that is AI.

[[BLK] Telu]

Originally posted by Swattii:

Kinda hate how people are super fixated on grades here. I just play the game and if a mission is too hard to non-lethal, I just kill everyone.

I'm not fixed on grade, i try to understand game mechanics to improve myself. I will replay others way only on maps i like the most. Like the post office for example.

[Shishio Mazakahara]

Originally posted by DrDerpenstein:

Originally posted by Swattii:

A lot of folk get too frustrated over something that should be played for fun. Though, I understand that half of the blame comes from the developers.

I like the mil-sim aspect of the game and don't care too much about cosmetics/unlocks. The problem is that the AI is completely immersion breaking on many levels:
- they can tank shots
- dont react to sting/flash nades
- can 360 no scope you from 100m away
- almost never surrender
- they can wall-bang you even thru 3 layers of walls with no sight picture and having never made contact with you prior (specific examples in mind here...)
- are generally more talented than a swat team even if they're low-level junkies

Games aren't fun if the opponent is cheating - the AI in this game cheat hard core. There is no excuse within the laws of physics for some of the ♥♥♥♥ that's caused my team(s) to lose. I've seen:
- Shot thru 3 layers of wall and die
- Tangos blasted point-blank with the impact flash launcher but walk away
- seen enemies (via mirror gun) perfectly track friendlies walking around in rooms half the map away
- Thrown grenades right at enemy feet that they just walk off
- Enemies take 30rds of 5.56 and walk it off

There's no super-human excuse for most of this. It's purely insane.
Prior releases had 'bad' AI but this is pure '♥♥♥♥'. There have been various mods that fix this and idk why the devs don't take a note from their book.

Basically- this is more than a 'pub style' game, there's a lot more to be appreciated if the devs can fix the blatant bug that is AI.

Not to mention BS like the AI getting in your face and killing you because his gun glitches through the shield