Pepperball and beanbag need buff...

[Fast]

hurry up plz.

[Percher]

Pepperballs hella need a buff. You have to hit, what, four to eight times for it to do anything? Sometimes three if you're lucky.

[[BLK] Telu]

Originally posted by shortsack:

the bottom two assault rifles are pepperballs

It's the riffle/shotgun with red/orange color pieces on them. Try on the range to double-check. If there is a bullet impact, it's not a non-lethal weapon.

[Leelareso]

Originally posted by Percher:

Pepperballs hella need a buff. You have to hit, what, four to eight times for it to do anything? Sometimes three if you're lucky.

What? i always hit once and they are stunned and surender

[Fast]

Originally posted by Leelareso:

Originally posted by Percher:

Pepperballs hella need a buff. You have to hit, what, four to eight times for it to do anything? Sometimes three if you're lucky.

What? i always hit once and they are stunned and surender

you lyin though.

[Percher]

Originally posted by Leelareso:

What? i always hit once and they are stunned and surender

You're playing a completely different game.

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

Originally posted by Chris Madison:

Originally posted by soggy wet bag full of diarrhea:

If you get hit by either of these things in real life, you're not going to be able to immediately mentally compose yourself in a nanosecond. The AI needs to reflect reality.

And pepperballs don't work on everybody, just like tasers or pepper spray.

well gas works on everybody even people that wear gasmasks somehow so pepperballs should also work.

[Chillian]

Originally posted by Fast:

none of you clearly know anything stop commenting if you dont even play the game or play non lethal runs.

Lord. Where to begin.

With a question? Why do you think an IRL SWAT unit does not attend a school shooting with a bunch of chilli power cannons and bean bag launchers? You wanna do S runs which by definition is just a challenge that is designed to put the "realism" of a tactical shooter to 1 side.

If they buff them, they might aswell remove lethal weapons from the game. Basically "i want to do a hyper unrealistic S tier run and i want everyone to surrender as soon as they see my bright orange gun".

[Quill]

I can get enemies to surrender with 2 hits of the Pepperball. Just aim for the face

Beanbags are pretty effective on more dangerous suspects but don't aim for the head as that's lethal

[Fast]

Originally posted by Chillian:

Originally posted by Fast:

none of you clearly know anything stop commenting if you dont even play the game or play non lethal runs.

Lord. Where to begin.

With a question? Why do you think an IRL SWAT unit does not attend a school shooting with a bunch of chilli power cannons and bean bag launchers? You wanna do S runs which by definition is just a challenge that is designed to put the "realism" of a tactical shooter to 1 side.

If they buff them, they might aswell remove lethal weapons from the game. Basically "i want to do a hyper unrealistic S tier run and i want everyone to surrender as soon as they see my bright orange gun".

Ahh yes, because the 180 john wick no scoping terminator "i can take jhp in the chest" tazer to the eye balls and still shoot back with 100% accuracy and legs facing the wrong way whilst wall banging you from 100 meters away through a door because i saw 1pixel of your hat AI is super realistic amirite.

[Delta Dagger]

Originally posted by Quill:

I can get enemies to surrender with 2 hits of the Pepperball. Just aim for the face

I don't even do that. I can usually get, at least, a pain state with 2 shots center mass. One more can really bring them down. It's real tempting to just unload ala SWAT 4's Tippmann 98.

[Inflated_chair]

Originally posted by Leelareso:

Originally posted by Percher:

Pepperballs hella need a buff. You have to hit, what, four to eight times for it to do anything? Sometimes three if you're lucky.

What? i always hit once and they are stunned and surender

Bro is capping so hard lol stop defending it

[Maboi Laurence]

Beanbag shotgun is already super strong though.

[Zaeld]

What's wrong with the beanbag shotgun? I think It's really good so I always take it with me during solo S-ranks and I don't even use any Swat AI so i think the shotgun is fine if you're capable of soloing with it.

edit: The pepperball rifles on the other hand may need a slight buff.

[Menlow]

Originally posted by Fast:

hurry up plz.

Non lethal is just not fun in general and imo rather unrealistic on some maps. It kinda bothers me actually that we cant reach S Ranks going lethal.
Like yeah sure, lets pretend a swat team isnt gonna shot a streamer who just committed murder and refuses to surrender while actively shooting at the officers lmao.

I get its for videogame reasons but i still feel like there should be an S possible on lethal runs, mostly because they are just plain more fun imo

[Deadite]

beanbags are a crap shoot if they are going to make a suspect drop or totally ignore being hit by one or more, even at close distance, like less than 10m (ya know like inside a house)... real beanbags would still wreck your sh1te up to 20m - just they are less accurate. im talking about unarmoured suspects too, like in 23mb