Dumb AI?

[OverLordGoldDragon]

Saw clips of AI just standing there in the open, or rushing you, not moving to cover. Had this game wishlisted for a while but this is quite a turnoff... is AI really dumb in Ready or Not?

[Krude]

AI was good until a certain change like a year ago I think? that really made it worse. Which is a shame cause the AI was great.

[Jonboy]

Първоначално публикувано от jugulator01:

Първоначално публикувано от shadowsc133:

The AI core is very bad, there isn`t anything positive about it and has been the main issue with this game since 2019. Not only do suspects act unrealistic, always going full kamikaze and seeing you through walls/doors, can hear when you are thinking about switching to a grenade or mag change but are completely deaf to firing next to them. Not to mention perfect night vision. Civilian AI manages to be even worse, no comment is needed just mindless chickens making the game feel cheap.

No, no one that ever played any other FPS is exaggerating that this game's AI is bad. And just because some tweaks make it playable, it doesn`t make it good.

ok. Point me a better one.
I agree with the night vision problem, but one thing is partial implementation, another is bad implementation.
I'd like to know which game, current or not, has a more capable cqb AI, cause i'd rather play that game then.

I actually can't think of one which is worse.

[T1E6X1]

Първоначално публикувано от OverLordGoldDragon:

Saw clips of AI just standing there in the open, or rushing you, not moving to cover. Had this game wishlisted for a while but this is quite a turnoff... is AI really dumb in Ready or Not?

Suspect/ Civilian AI isnt that great. When playing a map youll get some suspects that react fine to whatever youre doing but there are cases where its just irrational, buggy, and unrealistic.
Using the post office map as an example, in the warehouse, looking out through the loading bays you can see multiple suspects/ civilians. Even in clear line of sight, any commands you say will be ignored as they flat out deaf and blind to your presence. If you walk close enough to them they will suddenly react.
Civilian AI has its faults. A good number of the civilians feel like morons, running away from you or being PIA to detain even at gunpoint.

Others have perfectly described other issues with suspect AI, shooting/ seeing you through walls, etc. In general i'd say the AI lacks intelligence.

[🅂🄸🄻🅅🄴🅁]

There's mods that will help with this, but remember there will ALWAYS be people complaining about any aspect of a game (or really anything in general) somewhere and the most extreme examples will be shown, although there's a reason so many people have no problem with the AI or anything else and then others do
I've seen people praise RDR2's AI consistently but seen plenty of people criticizing it for example in both cases but you could replace RDR2 with ANYTHING and you'll still find people complaining and highlighting their examples somewhere` it's clearly not bad enough to ruin the game or it wouldn't be so well-received, so in the end it depends

[Northy]

The AI are still aimbot accurate 0.01sec after opening a door.
I dont find it fun to just send the AI into clear room leaving me to just report and bag the guns.
I want to play like I do on SWAT 4 & Zero Hour and clear the rooms myself without getting aimbotted by the AI.
RoN has a long way to go for me... Shame I cant refund it.

[Roxxapo]

Първоначално публикувано от OverLordGoldDragon:

Saw clips of AI just standing there in the open, or rushing you, not moving to cover. Had this game wishlisted for a while but this is quite a turnoff... is AI really dumb in Ready or Not?

As a SWAT 4 enjoyer, this game has embarrassingly bad AI. The silly/unrealistic level design also doesn't help.

[Roxxapo]

Първоначално публикувано от 🅂🄸🄻🅅🄴🅁:

There's mods that will help with this, but remember there will ALWAYS be people complaining about any aspect of a game (or really anything in general) somewhere and the most extreme examples will be shown, although there's a reason so many people have no problem with the AI or anything else and then others do
I've seen people praise RDR2's AI consistently but seen plenty of people criticizing it for example in both cases but you could replace RDR2 with ANYTHING and you'll still find people complaining and highlighting their examples somewhere` it's clearly not bad enough to ruin the game or it wouldn't be so well-received, so in the end it depends

Nah see, because if you play the games this game is mimicking, you'll see a stark difference.
Things that never happened to me in SWAT 4:
I never had a suspect fake surrender 3 times in a row while surrounded by officers
I never saw the AI start shooting me from the start of the level
I never had the entire AI team get injured by one suspect with a handgun
I've never been shot through a door 30 ft away
I've never had my entire team body block a doorway while a suspect shoots at them

I've played ONE (1, uno) barricaded suspect level on RoN and all of these things happened within that single game.

[🅂🄸🄻🅅🄴🅁]

Първоначално публикувано от Roxxapo:

Първоначално публикувано от 🅂🄸🄻🅅🄴🅁:

There's mods that will help with this, but remember there will ALWAYS be people complaining about any aspect of a game (or really anything in general) somewhere and the most extreme examples will be shown, although there's a reason so many people have no problem with the AI or anything else and then others do
I've seen people praise RDR2's AI consistently but seen plenty of people criticizing it for example in both cases but you could replace RDR2 with ANYTHING and you'll still find people complaining and highlighting their examples somewhere` it's clearly not bad enough to ruin the game or it wouldn't be so well-received, so in the end it depends

Nah see, because if you play the games this game is mimicking, you'll see a stark difference.
Things that never happened to me in SWAT 4:
I never had a suspect fake surrender 3 times in a row while surrounded by officers
I never saw the AI start shooting me from the start of the level
I never had the entire AI team get injured by one suspect with a handgun
I've never been shot through a door 30 ft away
I've never had my entire team body block a doorway while a suspect shoots at them

I've played ONE (1, uno) barricaded suspect level on RoN and all of these things happened within that single game.

I've had all those happen to me in SWAT 4, in fact I have PTSD from hearing "you're in my way sir" then getting mowed down cause of the squad blocking the door

[Pure]

If they don't fix it in 1.0, it will never really get to a good spot.

Currently, the ai's meh.

[shadowsc133]

Първоначално публикувано от 🅂🄸🄻🅅🄴🅁:

Първоначално публикувано от Roxxapo:

Nah see, because if you play the games this game is mimicking, you'll see a stark difference.
Things that never happened to me in SWAT 4:
I never had a suspect fake surrender 3 times in a row while surrounded by officers
I never saw the AI start shooting me from the start of the level
I never had the entire AI team get injured by one suspect with a handgun
I've never been shot through a door 30 ft away
I've never had my entire team body block a doorway while a suspect shoots at them

I've played ONE (1, uno) barricaded suspect level on RoN and all of these things happened within that single game.

I've had all those happen to me in SWAT 4, in fact I have PTSD from hearing "you're in my way sir" then getting mowed down cause of the squad blocking the door

His focus was on the enemy AI issues, which are far more egregious when compared to the same game. Despite the problem you mentioned, Swat AI was remarkably more enjoyable, even though it is an older game, having been released 13 years ago. Regrettably, it took the developers over four years to acknowledge the major issues with the Swat AI, and it seems that only this aspect might ever receive a complete re-do.

[Roxxapo]

Първоначално публикувано от 🅂🄸🄻🅅🄴🅁:

I've had all those happen to me in SWAT 4, in fact I have PTSD from hearing "you're in my way sir" then getting mowed down cause of the squad blocking the door

I'm not sure what situation you put yourself in to prompt that voice line in a hot doorway, but I only ever heard "sir you're in my spot" when I was instructing the squad to stack up or check a closed door. If you play with the SEF mod, you can even give them orders to "Breach, Bang, Leader" which means they will stack up, breach, bang it, then allow you to go in while they stay at the door until you give them the "fall in" command.
I was hopeful for RoN until I realized they were talking about 1.0 even being on the horizon, if not the next update, with the AI being in such a shameful state. The squad AI is merely passable, the enemy AI is basically nonexistent.
I refunded the game, but I'm hopeful that they actually manage to do something with the AI, because believe it or not, I'm not terribly content to just sit and play SWAT 4 for eternity. I also don't want to rely on a mod that sticks it's fingers into every facet of the game just to deal with something the devs should have addressed YEARS ago when I first heard about the game (specifically the Jug's mod).

[Jug]

Първоначално публикувано от Roxxapo:

I also don't want to rely on a mod that sticks it's fingers into every facet of the game just to deal with something the devs should have addressed YEARS ago when I first heard about the game (specifically the Jug's mod).

You can use only the AI. Just rename all the other modules to '.bak' instead of '.pak'.

Sorry for the finger-sticking.
I'm a gentle guy btw.

=)

[Roxxapo]

Първоначално публикувано от jugulator01:

Първоначално публикувано от Roxxapo:

I also don't want to rely on a mod that sticks it's fingers into every facet of the game just to deal with something the devs should have addressed YEARS ago when I first heard about the game (specifically the Jug's mod).

You can use only the AI. Just rename all the other modules to '.bak' instead of '.pak'.

Sorry for the finger-sticking.
I'm a gentle guy btw.

=)

That's good to hear. I assumed it was just a giant compilation. I didn't care for the changes to damage and chance to kill the mod made.
I'll probably pick the game up again once there are no more major updates, or if there's just a really good sale.

[P!G]

Yep, the AI sux.
But then again, I can't think of ANY computer game that has truly good AI.
At least it beats the ARMA 3 bots; those guys are very, very......very stupid.
Love the game...hate the bots.

[Halorima]

i shout to civil lay down and he puts out phone and takin photo of me, what a nice reason to die