Whats with paywall?

[SgtHorton]

I was planning to buy base version and I read some reviews and they mention that there is some kind of paywall and you need to buy something more? Why is it not explained anywhere?

[Graywolf364]

Because they're deliberately misrepresenting the situation.

[Graywolf364]

Since you already in Steam discussions read the pin post that explains the situation: PSA: Supporter Edition playtest period, plan going forward

[IgrokSQUAD]

Originally posted by Meshify:

I was planning to buy base version and I read some reviews and they mention that there is some kind of paywall and you need to buy something more? Why is it not explained anywhere?

Game costs 40 buck, or 30. The SE DLC costs 80 buck, which offers a "test" branch, which gives you access to early updates in an early access game, for 80 buck. Basically double early access, the expensive version gets raw updates much faster than base version, despite the base version is also early access. Also, those updates on main branch come out broken too, so their "horrible" bug testing is questionable, especially because devs have a private Discord for SE owners.

Another issue is the pricing alone. Game costs 40 buck, they demand additional supports in form of 80 buck, despite they have already made millions of dollars from sales. That price is therefore not really justified in any way.

Another excuse they use for that practice, is that they wanna "honor" those who have supported them from early days. The early days are over, yet the DLC is still on sale. Also, shills usually talk here about the "horrible" bug testing, and from here we go back to the point that some updates had still bugs in them from that 80 buck test branch, also early access is not for smooth experience, therefore bugs are a normal thing and are not justified to be locked behind a 80 buck paywall for several weeks.

As a cherry on top of the cake, they have an additional test branch, which is the dev branch, which is closed for testing and not public in any way. Also, the SE DLC costs around 120 buck, if I am not mistaken, on their website, yet here it is only 80, despite Steam's tax.

[IgrokSQUAD]

Oh and a little fun fact. 99% of games offer test branches for free, with some acceptable exceptions like SCP:SL.

[SgtHorton]

Ok but what i understand that i need to pay more to have access to some kind of test branch. But its nowhere explained what that means, are there some more levels on test branch? How long it takes for update on test branch to trickle down to normal version?

[IgrokSQUAD]

Originally posted by Vivzen:

Bruh just look at Igroks profile dude is an actual schizophrenic

Stay on topic.

[Graywolf364]

Originally posted by Meshify:

Ok but what i understand that i need to pay more to have access to some kind of test branch. But its nowhere explained what that means, are there some more levels on test branch? How long it takes for update on test branch to trickle down to normal version?

There is no difference between the test branch and the regular Branch right now it's only for a short period before major updates and it's optional you have to specifically opt in for it.

[Biv]

Originally posted by Meshify:

Ok but what i understand that i need to pay more to have access to some kind of test branch. But its nowhere explained what that means, are there some more levels on test branch? How long it takes for update on test branch to trickle down to normal version?

The public version is the same as supporter the wait is 2 weeks ish Tho they have made a statement they want to make it shorter
"Also for future notice:
A stable and high quality build is our highest priority, which is the goal of the Supporter playtesting to address and deal with any emergent issues. We plan to release our updates to the broader Public once deemed stable and of proper quality, forgoing a set Supporter playtest duration."

[IgrokSQUAD]

Originally posted by Meshify:

Ok but what i understand that i need to pay more to have access to some kind of test branch. But its nowhere explained what that means, are there some more levels on test branch? How long it takes for update on test branch to trickle down to normal version?

You pay more to get actualy early acces and more frequent updates, that's it. Shills use as an excuse the fact that you will get the updates weeks later, or a month later, with sometimes same bugs, where almost nothing has been done.

[Graywolf364]

Personally I chose not to get the supporter edition. It's aptly name, it's what you get if you sincerely want to support development. If you come in expecting a bunch of exclusive content you're going to be disappointed.

[Biv]

Originally posted by IgrokSQUAD:

Originally posted by Meshify:

Ok but what i understand that i need to pay more to have access to some kind of test branch. But its nowhere explained what that means, are there some more levels on test branch? How long it takes for update on test branch to trickle down to normal version?

You pay more to get actualy early acces and more frequent updates, that's it. Shills use as an excuse the fact that you will get the updates weeks later, or a month later, with sometimes same bugs, where almost nothing has been done.

"with sometimes same bugs, where almost nothing has been done." LOL this is so wrong it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ funny

[Biv]

Originally posted by IgrokSQUAD:

Originally posted by Vivzen:

"with sometimes same bugs, where almost nothing has been done." LOL this is so wrong it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ funny

It is not, many SE owners accross the forum pointed out bugs, which were present in the test branch. Stop the shill :)

Read the Changelog patch thread in this forum, anyone who disagrees with you is a shill mmkay

[Graywolf364]

Meshify, as you probably gather Igrok is an infamous troll on Steam discussions. Which is not something I say lightly.

We have pointed you to a few resources explaining the differences between the regular edition and the supporter edition. Remember you can always upgrade to supporter later if you want.

As I said, I personally didn't think the supporter edition was worthwhile for me. My way of supporting the development was buying the game. Not having a tan version of my favorite shotgun isn't that big of a deal to me.

If you're on the fence about buying the game my recommendation would be to get the regular edition. Play around with it for an hour (be sure to look at the game options and controls), if you enjoy the game keep it. You can make a decision about upgrading to supporter at a later date the sale price should stick around until January 5th if I recall. If you don't, not a big deal you can always refund.

[ELEMENTAL]

The people who buy the supporter edition only get a couple extra guns and get to enjoy big updates 1 month to 1 week before people with the base edition. 90% of the content is still fully available on the base edition, and the people leaving those reviews are whiners deliberately blowing it out of proportion. I mean, it's in the name, "supporter" edition. The main purpose of it is willingly giving more support to the devs, not accessing massive swaths of extra content. Don't worry, there's no "paywall".

[Graywolf364]

About the weapons in particular, they aren't anything particularly new or unique. As I mentioned one of them is just the regular shotgun everyone gets just in flat dark earth. Another is the Glock 19 just built on an 80% lower frame, so it's a cosmetic difference from the regular Glock 19. Same situation with the BCM rifle. The ballistic shield is the same just with a different decal on the front. You can also select a multicam uniform for yourself. I'm sure for the supporters this is a nice bonus, but it's not anything that's worth getting on its own.

And remember there's mod support. So you can download a bunch of excellent quality cosmetic mods.

I've complained a lot about many aspects of this game but this is not one of them. It's only a fuss because certain people insist on making it a fuss.