Desecrate the dead - no penalty?

[Mr. Blonde]

I like the feature where suspects can feign death and get back up and attack. But the simple solution is to shoot every corpse to ensure they aren't faking it. Problem is, in a game trying to promote realism, shooting every corpse should probably come at cost of a few points IMO. Unless Im not understanding how this should work?

[PRAET0R1AN™]

You wouldn't need to "death check" suspects once you've fired on them and then cuffed them really, Once cuffed they no longer pose a risk to you or your team.

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

I see what you mean, and yeah, I'd expect in the future a feature against dead checking. If someone is actively on the ground and "playing dead", they're not a threat. You should still take precautions, but they're not actively grabbing their gun to shoot you

[Bruce Springsteen fan]

If they just add a penalty for dead checking, that should be enough to stop people.

[Bruce Springsteen fan]

Originally posted by DimHotep:

Not sure anyone playing the game carefully is going around shooting prone bodies. Dead checking bodies sounds like some awful hellscape beyond what this game is trying to depict.

When I think of stuff like that I'm thinking of military operations during a war, not civil policing.

[BulbmanX]

Originally posted by roomcleaner:

Originally posted by DimHotep:

Not sure anyone playing the game carefully is going around shooting prone bodies. Dead checking bodies sounds like some awful hellscape beyond what this game is trying to depict.

When I think of stuff like that I'm thinking of military operations during a war, not civil policing.

Even in military "dead checking" has to be done within the time frame of the engagement, ie you're clearing a room, you shoot an armed target in the chest and he drops, you immediately put one in the head and continue clearing. That's legal. Same situation, he falls but you don't put the last round in his head, you finish clearing and then realize he's still alive, a dead check would be illegal and aid must be rendered as per the Geneva Convention. This is why soldiers often put what might be considered "excessive" rounds into targets, not only to make sure the threat is eliminated, but also because having to treat a wounded POW can put the team at serious risk.

[Andy Mil]

Aya
Here a tips they dont tell u
i thought people would notice already soo I kept quiet

if they actually dead
they will bleed
if not then try break LOS then they will get up
try check a few sec or so and u will c
or just cuff them like how they want u 2

[Hauker~]

Even if I lose points Im always gonna double check with a few shots instead of cuffing.

[SGTsimo]

In real life you would shoot to stop, not necessarily shoot to kill.
If someone is stopped, then you would assist in first aid to try and preserve life (even a criminals).
The exception can be suicide bombers who may try and set off an explosive device if injured. You would then shoot to kill.
I do hope that there are points deductions for shooting those already out f the fight in this game.

[TheDreamer]

Originally posted by SGTsimo:

I do hope that there are points deductions for shooting those already out f the fight in this game.

I saw in the changelog a little while ago that the RoE says you can't shoot suspects who are "ragdolled"/playing dead. I assume that activates a few seconds after a suspect has fallen down.

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally posted by LeanderRandom:

Originally posted by SGTsimo:

I do hope that there are points deductions for shooting those already out f the fight in this game.

I saw in the changelog a little while ago that the RoE says you can't shoot suspects who are "ragdolled"/playing dead. I assume that activates a few seconds after a suspect has fallen down.

I could be mistaken, but I shoot every corpse to confirm they are dead. On occasion, they let out a groan when shot, which I assume means they were faking death. No penalty.

[Cryptic]

I really don't think this is necessary.

Honestly if you are playing this game for points, you are clearly missing what the game is about

[Mr. Blonde]

Originally posted by Corrosion:

I really don't think this is necessary.

Honestly if you are playing this game for points, you are clearly missing what the game is about

I get ya. But I think the points help with the realism. I.E, ROE and penalized for violating them. Cause without points, who cares about ROE and some people would just Rambo through a level.

[Jozsefirst]

"Corpse shooting" as you call it is practiced by just about every law enforcement agency in the United States.

When police has strong reason to believe you to be a threat to society based on your past as well as recent actions and behaviour they are authorized to shoot you.
That's not the official legal verbiage but it sums up the just of it.

Meaning that during and past the point where you decided to point or even fire weapons at police or anyone else (unless self defense) you have effectively forefitted your right to live.

Your freedom ends where another person's begins, as they say.

Therefor just because you hit the ground police aren't necessarily going to stop shooting you, as keeping the public and themselves safe from the threat is now on a higher priority than ensuring that everybody, including the suspect, makes it out alive.

The reason for this is that a lying suspect still within range of their weapon (or having their arms in a position where they could have access to additional concealed weapons) can be just as dangerous as one that's still standing and actively firing.

Either way, because of your poor decision making, you have granted police the right to turn you into swiss cheese if they feel like that's what they need to do in order to achieve the best end results.

Short answer - No, police do not get penalized for shooting someone on the ground if they are known for being armed and hostile towards police or the general public, and it's a good thing that this has been taken into consideration in the game design as well.

[Cursed Hawkins]

Originally posted by Jozsefirst:

Short answer - No, police do not get penalized for shooting someone on the ground if they are known for being armed and hostile towards police or the general public, and it's a good thing that this has been taken into consideration in the game design as well.

And yet there's such a thing as "Excessive use of force" which CAN be a penalty, double taping it ONE THING, turning a body into ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Swiss cheese is another!

[Jozsefirst]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by Jozsefirst:

Short answer - No, police do not get penalized for shooting someone on the ground if they are known for being armed and hostile towards police or the general public, and it's a good thing that this has been taken into consideration in the game design as well.

And yet there's such a thing as "Excessive use of force" which CAN be a penalty, double taping it ONE THING, turning a body into ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Swiss cheese is another!

It has happened in the past, and that too can be justified depending on the circumstances.

Excessive use of force would be to shoot someone who does not pose immediate danger to anyone or to get detained with more forceful measures than necessary and professionally justifiable.

Shooting someone more times than what could be considered as bare minimum, even after hitting the ground, does not warrant excessive use of force by itself.