JHP rounds are pointless? (no pun intended)

[Butt Spenza]

They do not perform better against unarmored targets for some reason.
Why add ammo types if it only makes sense to use one of them?

[Graywolf364]

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[[ACPL] Jon]

I love the title.

[(TTV)OnBrandRP]

Originally posted by Butt Spenza:

They do not perform better against unarmored targets for some reason.
Why add ammo types if it only makes sense to use one of them?

Vanilla (no mods): Completely poitnless for now.
With mods: They work wonders.

[BulbmanX]

The purpose of hollow points isn't to "do more damage" to unarmored targets, that's some video game fantasy stuff. The purpose of them is to minimize over penetration through walls and people. JHP is good for maps where the suspects aren't wearing armor and many rooms/ halls are packed together, Twisted Nerve is a good example

[Bones]

Originally posted by BulbmanX:

The purpose of hollow points isn't to "do more damage" to unarmored targets, that's some video game fantasy stuff. The purpose of them is to minimize over penetration through walls and people. JHP is good for maps where the suspects aren't wearing armor and many rooms/ halls are packed together, Twisted Nerve is a good example

Also for the upcoming ridgeline map

[Bruce Springsteen fan]

Originally posted by BulbmanX:

The purpose of hollow points isn't to "do more damage" to unarmored targets, that's some video game fantasy stuff. The purpose of them is to minimize over penetration through walls and people. JHP is good for maps where the suspects aren't wearing armor and many rooms/ halls are packed together, Twisted Nerve is a good example

JHP rifle rounds do much more destruction in tissue than FMJ's and AP rounds usually do. It's because they're more likely expand and fragment than to cleanly penetrate like FMJ's and AP's do. The only reason militaries around the world don't use JHP is because of some silly outdated law. Law Enforcement who don't have to follow such rules, choose JHP's most of the time over FMJ's and AP's.

[Graywolf364]

^Exactly.

Additionally, federal law essentially bans armor piercing ammo. It's actually a really complicated situation because federal law defines armor piercing by bullet material composition and its ability to be used in handguns and not actual armor piercing performance. There's also some exceptions for certain types of ammo, reloading, and for certain FFLs. But the key point here is it's not particularly practical for an agency to purchase ammunition that is federally considered armor piercing so they largely buy commercial available ammunition. Some manufacturers do sell certain ammunition only to law enforcement (such as Winchester Rangers) but that's a choice by the manufacturer and not by law and that ammo does occasionally get sold on the open market by the manufacturer for various reasons. Which means agencies are probably going to be running some sort of JHP for duty ammunition with some barrier blind properties and have FMJ for cheap practice and training ammo.

[Andy Mil]

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it been like this long time now and i think modder at discord or something already told them
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I also believe that moderators here would saw it already soo I dont telling them or I did?? dont remember. I just soo tired of pointing out stuff now cuz they and random people gonna say it is my fault or pulling it is EA card.

[i cant feel the broken]

Originally posted by BulbmanX:

The purpose of hollow points isn't to "do more damage" to unarmored targets, that's some video game fantasy stuff.

where did you hear this?

[Butt Spenza]

Originally posted by BulbmanX:

The purpose of hollow points isn't to "do more damage" to unarmored targets, that's some video game fantasy stuff. The purpose of them is to minimize over penetration through walls and people. JHP is good for maps where the suspects aren't wearing armor and many rooms/ halls are packed together, Twisted Nerve is a good example

Actually they are doing both.
What does more damage: a small wound channel, where the bullet leaves the body with 50% of its kinetic energy, or a bullet that drastically increases its diameter and rips apart everything, making the target absorb all of its energy?
It's just basic physics. Have a look at some FMJ / JHP vs ballistics gel videos. The difference in damage vs soft targets is huge.

[Graywolf364]

Originally posted by BulbmanX:

The purpose of hollow points isn't to "do more damage" to unarmored targets, that's some video game fantasy stuff. The purpose of them is to minimize over penetration through walls and people. JHP is good for maps where the suspects aren't wearing armor and many rooms/ halls are packed together, Twisted Nerve is a good example

Hate to pile on, but the primary reason to run JHPs is better terminal ballistics compared to FMJ. AND over penetration is still a concern with hollow point ammunition. Not as big of a concern compared to full metal jacket but still a concern. Expansion does limit the chance of over penetration but the FBI ballistic gelatin test that is often cited and replicated is based on the average human body at its widest point and doesn't factor in bones and internal organs. Ballistic gelatin isn't a reliable indicator of lethality, but it's an excellent tool for comparing the relative performance of different rounds against each other in a standardized fashion. Also note that clothing and light cover can get wedged up in the hollow point and cause a failure to expand. Denim in particular is notorious for this.