Thoughts on the Taser X12 Shotgun being added?

[Guns]

Less effective than the hand-held Taser, but with a longer range.
Plus, I'm fairly sure the M590 model is already in the game.

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

Watching the video below, this thing seems awesome and also horrific. Seeing the shell covered in barbs, I mean. It'd certainly be an interesting alternative to the bean bag shotgun, which doesn't really have a counterpart in-game at the moment. Does seem like certain modifications enables it to have a taser on the bottom as well for closer engagements. Very interesting idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jli5MwO9Qk&ab_channel=ForgottenWeapons

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Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

I'm not sure if could be an alternative choice to the Bean Bag, as from what I'm able to gather it wasn't a popular choice about it, of course that could just be the title of one of the main pictures of the X12 being a clickbaiting title "The X12 Taser Shotgun, a gun experiment that never quite took off". Heck now that I remembered PayDay 2 was going to feature tasers with shotguns that likely would have resembled the X12 but were scrapped and all tasers just had a rifle that was capable of stunning you if they got too close.
Edit: also, just a heads up to anyone trying to watch that video, at least on my end it's not displaying properly, you hear the audio but there's no video feed.

Seems that quoting it (on my message) breaks the video, you should be able to preview it now without opening it. But not sure, it would for sure be an alternative to the taser, I just say beanbag shotty because it's a shotgun taser. I like the option to have another taser on the bottom for closer ranges, or I guess as an emergency non-lethal

[Guns]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by 『𝓢𝒾𝓃𝓃𝑒𝓇』:

Seems that quoting it (on my message) breaks the video, you should be able to preview it now without opening it. But not sure, it would for sure be an alternative to the taser, I just say beanbag shotty because it's a shotgun taser. I like the option to have another taser on the bottom for closer ranges, or I guess as an emergency non-lethal

But I then have to ask what emergency would need to happen for the taser fore grip (since it's pretty much going to be a fore grip when you look at it's positioning) to come into play that the Beanbag wouldn't already fill, sure the Beanbag itself can still be lethal if mishandled but then that pegs the question back to that emergency, what would have to happen to make it plausible to justify the taser being there? Because since the Beanbag pretty much has the same color pallet as the shotgun in the video, all you would have to do to turn that into an X12 is to literally make a taser fore grip attachment to it.

From my limited understanding, the X12 is not authorised for use at close range (whether that's due to it being ineffective or potentially lethal, I'm not sure), which is why they are usually fitted with a standard Taser for use in ranges under ~20ft. The main function of the X12 is to provide more range than the standard taser, while being more effective at immediately incapacitating a target than a bean bag shotgun.
Granted, while they are comparable, I believe the Remington 870 and Mossberg 590 are visually different enough to be fairly easily identified, and I don't think that the shades of yellow and orange in question are similar enough to be confused. That said, the main purpose of their colouration is so they aren't confused for lethal shotguns, which I don't see as a potential problem for either.
In terms of functionality, the X12 could provide the instant surrender on hit which the standard Taser provides, while potentially being either lethal or ineffective if used at too close of a range? The Taser fore-grip could also require that the weapon in the secondary slot is a Taser, and disable it as a standalone weapon.
Maybe? I don't know. When it comes down to it, I don't think it needs to differ hugely from the bean bag shotgun, seeing as there are already two far more functionally similar pepperball guns. The main idea was simply to suggest another non-lethal weapon — one, in this case, which is seldom seen in games of this genre.

[Guns]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by guns:

From my limited understanding, the X12 is not authorised for use at close range (whether that's due to it being ineffective or potentially lethal, I'm not sure), which is why they are usually fitted with a standard Taser for use in ranges under ~20ft. The main function of the X12 is to provide more range than the standard taser, while being more effective at immediately incapacitating a target than a bean bag shotgun.
Granted, while they are comparable, I believe the Remington 870 and Mossberg 590 are visually different enough to be fairly easily identified, and I don't think that the shades of yellow and orange in question are similar enough to be confused. That said, the main purpose of their colouration is so they aren't confused for lethal shotguns, which I don't see as a potential problem for either.
In terms of functionality, the X12 could provide the instant surrender on hit which the standard Taser provides, while potentially being either lethal or ineffective if used at too close of a range? The Taser fore-grip could also require that the weapon in the secondary slot is a Taser, and disable it as a standalone weapon.
Maybe? I don't know. When it comes down to it, I don't think it needs to differ hugely from the bean bag shotgun, seeing as there are already two far more functionally similar pepperball guns. The main idea was simply to suggest another non-lethal weapon — one, in this case, which is seldom seen in games of this genre.

Except the Beanbag Shotgun doesn't shoot pepperballs, it uses its own ammo type and the LESS-lethal options in the game are just that, LESS-lethal because they can be lethal if mishandled, ESPECIALLY the Beanbag Shotgun as people have died from being hit by it specifically in the head and those that do survive have to put up with varies disabilities like permanent blindness which can lead to some people not adapting to their newly acquired disability and taking their own life as a result.

Which is exactly my point about why, if the X12 was added, it could feasibly function similarly to the bean bag shotgun without it being totally redundant.
While I have the deepest sympathies for those who suffer life changing injuries due to the misuse of less-lethal equipment, I don't see how that's related to the game.

[Andy Mil]

I imaging video game logic of more ammo and more range and finally i can have red dot to my taser
real life
not in service cuz it 125 dollar per shot and I am not even Heavy Weapon Guy

[Cmdr. George Rockwell]

Originally posted by 『𝓢𝒾𝓃𝓃𝑒𝓇』:

Watching the video below, this thing seems awesome and also horrific. Seeing the shell covered in barbs, I mean. It'd certainly be an interesting alternative to the bean bag shotgun, which doesn't really have a counterpart in-game at the moment. Does seem like certain modifications enables it to have a taser on the bottom as well for closer engagements. Very interesting idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jli5MwO9Qk&ab_channel=ForgottenWeapons

Ian said in the video towards the end that they never adopted due to the extreme cost of the taser shells ($125/per shell). From what I've read online all the departments who purchased them later auctioned them off.