NPCs tanking AP rounds without armor

[Seldkam]

There's a noticeable increase in bullet sponging with all types of NPCs unless it's just a latency thing or something. I've seen half naked suspects not even wearing so much as a shirt take 5.56 AP rounds to the chest and survive, requiring 6 bullets to put down.

Is this how things are going to be now, because I gotta say this feels very odd.

[Graywolf364]

In my experience, only three people seriously buy steel plates. People who can't afford anything else and don't have to actually move very far or quickly in their armor. YouTubers who buy it so they can make more bad videos of them shooting stuff. And people who honestly don't know better and have been fed incorrect information that it's just as good as other superior options.

Steel plate does have a niche but that niche isn't for professional users. They have access to significantly lighter thinner and much better performing armor. They will also understand the best armor is mobility and not getting hit in the first place. And if they do catch hits on their armor, Uncle Sam or us taxpayers will provide them with a new plate at significantly cheaper than what regular people can buy them for.

[Riskbreaker Wolf]

Confirm that the terrorists in Hospital tank 6/8 shots centre mass with 5.56 no matter the ammo. Valley guards took 4/5 with AP 5.56, 8/9 rounds with the MP5 AP. FAL with AP took 2 rounds centre mass. Crackheads in meth house too 2 rounds .300Bk with JHP. So i'd take the FAL with suspects in armour until they balance this all out.

[Andy Mil]

And my fav revolver.... Take 6 shot to kill reglion fighter terrorist whatever
They nerf my big boy...
I no longer want to bring pistol in anymore

Glad to help fellow
I off to Minecraft now
got village to develop

[Kanata.Верный]

Originally posted by predator246:

I've had guys with their back to me shoot me when i tell them to get down because they spin 180 in a second.

Actually they don't need to spin 180 to shoot you, they can fire at you during the spin, maybe start at about 135 degrees

[Spartykins]

feels like you should be able to stun them more, I've never been shot before so I don't know

[Trash]

On the hospital map they can take like 13 rounds sometimes. Although I think its intentional like they are using painkillers or something.

[Graywolf364]

I personally haven't had too many issues with the AI shrugging off bullets. They do feel like they can handle more, but not in a way that really makes that big of a difference in how I play. Just do what people do in real life, keep shooting until they stop and get off the X. If you're just doing two round controlled bursts and then stopping to reassess you're probably going to get hosed if the AI is still alive.

It's also worth remembering that in the real world the double tap, controlled pair, hammer pairs etc first existed because of small pistol magazine capacities, and then caught on because of limited ammunition budgets. A lot of organizations who have their members get into a lot of gunfights are moving towards the five shot string.

[calabacina]

Originally posted by Reggae Sauce:

At the end of the day you need to balance realism with fun, because if this game was 100% realistic, It would be either absolutely horrible and not fun or brain-meltingly dull. It needs to be a fun game at the end of the day, and I agree that longer firefights are more engaging and entertaining.
This doesn't mean that it has to be Call Of Duty, but if EVERY firefight ended in 0.5 seconds, the game would not be fun.

I agree that games have to find a balance between realism and gameplay, it is true that in the end it is a game, and for example, it would not be fun to stay 30 minutes in the van as you move from the lobby to the map.

but, at least personally, I like the idea that a fight can end quickly, of course, always and when there is a logic, if as I seem to understand from the comments the logic is to increase the hp of the ai this doesn't seem to me the best solution and I wouldn't find funny that there was no difference between shooting in the forehead or a knee, it would be more boring.