ROE

[Xerxes004]

The Rules of Engagement in this game are dumb. I get that it's similar to SWAT 4, but that's a negative. Anyone with a gun in hand should be fair game, no matter what.

[Big Momma]

Good thing you're not a cop

[Iñigo Montoya]

Maybe, but it is not. And it is not in any police force in the world that I know of.

[shelden176]

Originally posted by Big Momma:

Good thing you're not a cop

+1

[shelden176]

Originally posted by Xerxes004:

The Rules of Engagement in this game are dumb. I get that it's similar to SWAT 4, but that's a negative. Anyone with a gun in hand should be fair game, no matter what.

no no no. Just NO.

[taco]

i dont think you understand the concept of (police) ROEs...

[Xerxes004]

https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/00411.htm

This is the law where I live

[Xerxes004]

I walk into a nightclub where there are hundreds of corpses, people screaming, blood covering the floors and walls. I see a guy standing in a pile of corpses with an illegal machine gun. I shoot him. Negative points. Like wtf?

[Jug]

oh yeah. in the club mission, i don't hesitate for 1/10th of a sec.
Idgaf about score on that one (and on any other one lol)

[Xerxes004]

Originally posted by ✪taco:

i dont think you understand the concept of (police) ROEs...

Are you going to give some proof or just pretend like you know?

[Xerxes004]

Originally posted by jugulator01:

oh yeah. in the club mission, i don't hesitate for 1/10th of a sec.
Idgaf about score on that one (and on any other one lol)

Exactly.

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

I think people overstate ROE just because of how the shout works. The ROE in most modes (game-wise) is just: to make sure the AI are aware of you. That's pretty much it, you can shout at someone with a gun, he could not even face you and proceed to run away, you can shoot him without a violation.

The issue begins when the shout is primarily line of sight based. Besides that, just shout, you are there to take people alive if possible and kill as a last resort. But then again, that's up to player choice, they just have to choose whether or not the score means anything to them.

Edit: Just remembered as well, but armed civilians are planned, so no. Having a gun by itself isn't a crime, nor is it worthy of death. There is a reason why police have to announce themselves in a lot of situations

[Xerxes004]

Originally posted by 『Sinner』:

I think people overstate ROE just because of how the shout works. The ROE in most modes (game-wise) is just: to make sure the AI are aware of you. That's pretty much it, you can shout at someone with a gun, he could not even face you and proceed to run away, you can shoot him without a violation.

The issue begins when the shout is primarily line of sight based. Besides that, just shout, you are there to take people alive if possible and kill as a last resort. But then again, that's up to player choice, they just have to choose whether or not the score means anything to them.

Edit: Just remembered as well, but armed civilians are planned, so no. Having a gun by itself isn't a crime, nor is it worthy of death. There is a reason why police have to announce themselves in a lot of situations

Active shooters are way different than a barricaded suspect. But it doesn’t seem like there is any difference in ROE. Keep in mind that it can be justified to shoot an innocent, armed, civilian if it’s reasonable they are a threat. Happened not too long ago at a mall here in the US. An undercover cop was shot by mistake, but there were no criminal charges (Jacai Colson I think his name was).

TL;DR this game needs a better explanation of ROE’s so I can at least attempt to comply

[Jug]

since Swat4, the ROE is simply the most 'gamey' aspect of both titles.
It is painfully black/white, completely disregarding the extreme complexity in any shooting scenario.
OF COURSE the law must be upheld, but at the same time, policemen must also go back to their families alive.
Not to mention they're very expensive assets in terms of money spent to train and arm them.
Therefore, while we can easily understand the idea behind that concept, it's very poor implementation makes gameplay stiff and unrealistic. It's NOT ok to force players to expose themselves to enemy fire so they can notify a suspect. And a lot of other aspects that don't make any sense whatsoever.

Anyway... Ppl play the way they want. If your fun is to grind every score point, by all means, do it.

Just don't pretend you're "emulating SWAT SOPs" when you do it, because you're actually not. You're just playing a game.

[PenguinOfTheSands]

ROE should be changed so that I can shoot even civilians because like, you never know. They COULD be a threat, later in life.

[Kaminsky]

Originally posted by jugulator01:

[...] You're just playing a game.

That ends up being the kicker, noone really wants a super realistic game, they want to sit at that crux of 'As realistic as playable'. It's a careful balance that any game needs to roll with and the Dev Team proper is constantly messing with what is and isn't in the ROE.