Use of Force

[GimpyGunner]

Whats the difference between "unauthorized use of force" and "unauthorized use of deadly force" in the game (not real life) and what dictates each in the game?

Actual Scenario: Shot an armed guy through a door (done this many times w/o penalty or without shouting) and got an "unauthorized use of force" and in the same game 2 minutes later...I opened a door and ran into a guy with a rifle who shouted and ran towards me and then I shot him (didnt attempt to surrender or anything) and then got an "unauthorized use of deadly force". Theres many times where ill spot a guy across the room before he sees me and ill shoot him in the head without shouting or without him noticing me or doing anything and ive never gotten penalized for those. To me it seems inconsistent and makes no sense

[Schmiddy]

For the record, the devs have already announced that changes will be made to how suspects surrender so that it's more sensible. I imagine they will change it so that once a suspect starts firing shots it takes a cooldown period until they can surrender again. Something else that would be nice is if there was a grace period of 0.4 seconds after the suspect surrenders. Average human reaction time plus latency would make this a pretty solid period where you wouldn't be penalized.

[GimpyGunner]

I take back everything i said..the ROE are complete and total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and make no sense and are inconsistent ....I had a guy on the other side of the door...i shot him..."unauthorized use of deadly force" but at the same time a suspect was running away...Shot him in the back as he ran away...no penalty....I open a door to a room and a guy is facing the other direction...shoot him in the back of the head...no penalty. The ROE may be clear on when you get penalized but they're inconsistent...on the 213 mission...i always shoot through the door or w/out warning and never get a penalty but the dealership it always happens.....Its total BS and they need to update this first

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

GimpyGunner の投稿を引用：

I take back everything i said..the ROE are complete and total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and make no sense and are inconsistent ....I had a guy on the other side of the door...i shot him..."unauthorized use of deadly force" but at the same time a suspect was running away...Shot him in the back as he ran away...no penalty....I open a door to a room and a guy is facing the other direction...shoot him in the back of the head...no penalty. The ROE may be clear on when you get penalized but they're inconsistent...on the 213 mission...i always shoot through the door or w/out warning and never get a penalty but the dealership it always happens.....Its total BS and they need to update this first

It can be inconsistent yeah, probably because of early access. It'll likely get tweaked. Was the guy on the other side of the door armed? The runner was likely because they were armed, the game doesn't handle it so great atm because of how aimbotty the AI can be

[GimpyGunner]

『𝓢𝒾𝓃𝓃𝑒𝓇』 の投稿を引用：

GimpyGunner の投稿を引用：

I take back everything i said..the ROE are complete and total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and make no sense and are inconsistent ....I had a guy on the other side of the door...i shot him..."unauthorized use of deadly force" but at the same time a suspect was running away...Shot him in the back as he ran away...no penalty....I open a door to a room and a guy is facing the other direction...shoot him in the back of the head...no penalty. The ROE may be clear on when you get penalized but they're inconsistent...on the 213 mission...i always shoot through the door or w/out warning and never get a penalty but the dealership it always happens.....Its total BS and they need to update this first

It can be inconsistent yeah, probably because of early access. It'll likely get tweaked. Was the guy on the other side of the door armed? The runner was likely because they were armed, the game doesn't handle it so great atm because of how aimbotty the AI can be

Yes they were both armed.. and thats what im chopping it up to it being early access and ho[ing theyre gonna fix it because this game has alot of potential and its super fun

[GimpyGunner]

After this most recent update, the ROE are even more arbitrary then before!!!!!! They literally had the idea to "tweak" the ROE but yet havent even posted anything specific about the ROE. This game has so much potential but it seems theyre not even listening to the players and their concerns. Now im getting hit with more "unauthorized use of force" and BS that never happend before, so it seems like more than a "tweak". POST THE DAME ROE!!!!!!!

[Pindie]

You're really supposed to use grenades to subdue suspects or let the AI squad do it - if you do not want any penalties. You do not get a penalty when you shoot someone who is aiming their weapon - they have it raised to firing stance. If they merely hold a weapon at hip level or with barrel pointed down you're supposed to first yell and see what they do. Of course that leaves you a very narrow window and you will make mistakes, thus for 100% runs it's not the method IMO.

[Hyperion Biga]

You can't shoot armed suspects, unless they aim their gun towards you or a hostage. Simple as that. Just having a weapon doesn't warrant shooting, they have to try to aim at someone

Works the same as SWAT4

Yell first, and see what they do. If they try to raise the gun, then shoot them. Just holding a weapon is not enough. It was bugged in the first build, where you could shoot anyone with a gun, as long as you didnt yell at them. Was not intended

[phantombandit]

God's Helix の投稿を引用：

Unauthorized use of force - You shot and killed a suspect that was armed, but did not actively shoot at you yet.

Unauthorized use of deadly force - You shot and killed an unarmed civillian.

The suspect AI is predetermined to either shoot at you, or immediately surrender. Yelling at them to drop their weapons can vastly increase that chance. Until they actually shoot at you, though, the game will consider all suspects as non-combatants, and you will be penalised.

You can sometimes get lucky and kill the one guy that was predetermined to shoot at you and you won't get penalised as this was already chosen to happen by the AI, but if that happens it's purely by luck.

You dont have to wait for them to shoot you to shoot them, you can shoot them if, after telling them to surrender, they motion to aim their gun at you, you dont have to wait for them to actually fire.