Shield Discussion

[Zet395]

There is something I want to ask everyone with shield experience in this game. Do you find the shields worth using? Here's my problem with my experience: the first problem was visibility. While I normally wouldn't mind if it was hard to see, the bullet cracks in the window make it completely impossible to make out what's in front of you. While I did get past the dark visibility issue by pairing NVG with my shield build, it didn't help with the crack problem. My second problem was the aim of the AI. I'm not sure if this was a problem in previous updates, but I have noticed that sometime after the armor system was updated, AI shoot for the limbs a LOT. Like, they REALLY aimbot those legs and arms, before anything else -- with the exception of them using shotguns.

When I used a shield, I couldn't ever push towards the Suspect, because the moment I moved a tiny inch, my legs would instantly get shot, and I could start bleeding -- often leading to my death in bad situations. So, what has your experience been like? Has it always been this way with the AI? Am I using the shield wrong? Is it even viable? I could use some input.

Along with this, I had some small ideas for the shield.

- Remove shock and suppression effects when the shield is up, and you are taking fire from the front. I think it's cool that flashbang and stingers can't effect you with the shield up, and I think this would help with vision.

- Make the cracks in the window less obstructive. Not being able to see can put you in bad situations, and I honestly think the shield can do without it. Maybe that's going too far for some of you, though.

- Shield bashing. This is a no-brainer. Why can't we? I think it would -- quite literally -- be the only time anyone would ever use the melee button.

If you like my ideas, or have any ideas of your own, feel free to let me know. Remember, be civilized. Most that browse these forums only care and want to see the game improve, and without us, the devs would be nothing, which is why our ideas and feedback are so important (even if the devs give us absolutely not feedback in return, but that's a different discussion.)

[𝒞𝒶𝓈𝓊𝒶𝓁 Sinner]

While I do agree with most of the issues that the shield can have.. it's the trade off of the shield. You're pretty much invincible behind the shield, at least when not standing. But you realistically should not be standing with the shield for the reason of having your knee caps blown off.

The thing about stingers and flashbangs behind a shield is that well, you're behind the shield. Flashbangs should probably still hurt if you're looking through the glass without anti-flash goggles, but stingers (from my understanding) are solid pellets being sprayed everywhere. The suppression effect also applies like this, you're still being shot at, you can stand behind bullet proof glass and still flinch naturally when presented with someone shooting directly at you. Especially since you really are blinded with how big the shield is

As for the cracks... It's another trade off as well. You can be completely blinded by cracks, but that's what happens when glass is shot, the shield is not a perfect weapon with no flaws like in some games: shooting glass repeatedly will damage it after a while.

As for bashing, I don't mind, it could use a melee if it doesn't already. For the most part though, a lot of these are mainly quirks about the shield. You're nearly impossible to kill when using it correctly, but you can be blinded and have negatives from being shot. Hope this makes sense

[Zet395]

Originally posted by 『𝓢𝒾𝓃𝓃𝑒𝓇』:

While I do agree with most of the issues that the shield can have.. it's the trade off of the shield. You're pretty much invincible behind the shield, at least when not standing. But you realistically should not be standing with the shield for the reason of having your knee caps blown off.

The thing about stingers and flashbangs behind a shield is that well, you're behind the shield. Flashbangs should probably still hurt if you're looking through the glass without anti-flash goggles, but stingers (from my understanding) are solid pellets being sprayed everywhere. The suppression effect also applies like this, you're still being shot at, you can stand behind bullet proof glass and still flinch naturally when presented with someone shooting directly at you. Especially since you really are blinded with how big the shield is

As for the cracks... It's another trade off as well. You can be completely blinded by cracks, but that's what happens when glass is shot, the shield is not a perfect weapon with no flaws like in some games: shooting glass repeatedly will damage it after a while.

As for bashing, I don't mind, it could use a melee if it doesn't already. For the most part though, a lot of these are mainly quirks about the shield. You're nearly impossible to kill when using it correctly, but you can be blinded and have negatives from being shot. Hope this makes sense

It does, yeah. I agree with you; I just think the shield could use some improvement. I think the biggest problem right now is the lack of communication you can give to the team because of vision problems, and the aimbot to the legs part. Sure, you could crouch, but staying completely still isn't always the best play. The slightest movements still get my limbs shot.

[Chonkems]

You have to rely on your team when using one, since the glass can become an abstract painting the minute you enter a room.

[Zet395]

Originally posted by Chonkems:

You have to rely on your team when using one, since the glass can become an abstract painting the minute you enter a room.

Yeah. I understand that it's supposed to be a supportive role, but that's WHY I think they should be able to see. In order to fit their support role, it would be nice if they could see, so they could safely relay information of where Suspects are, and how many there are. Information like that is invaluable.

[bben]

the crack is to prevent players from abusing the shield too much

u heavily rely on ur buddies to cover ur flanks and ur back
competent players behind u will know wht to do even without u telling them wht u r seeing
cos everyone knows u cant see ♥♥♥♥ taking in 12303 rounds / min

u r supposed to be that temporary cover when busting thru the door
they r supposed to sneak in behind u asap and take the shot while you aggro

focus on providing enough space so that ur team can move in and help u
just crouch and wait for it to end
only shoot if the threat is v close / with knives / self defense

if ur playing singleplayer i can see why shield is problematic cos AI swat are not smart enough to do wht they r supposed to do

[Zet395]

Originally posted by bben:

the crack is to prevent players from abusing the shield too much

u heavily rely on ur buddies to cover ur flanks and ur back
competent players behind u will know wht to do even without u telling them wht u r seeing
cos everyone knows u cant see ♥♥♥♥ taking in 12303 rounds / min

u r supposed to be that temporary cover when busting thru the door
they r supposed to sneak in behind u asap and take the shot while you aggro

focus on providing enough space so that ur team can move in and help u
just crouch and wait for it to end
only shoot if the threat is v close / with knives / self defense

if ur playing singleplayer i can see why shield is problematic cos AI swat are not smart enough to do wht they r supposed to do

These are valid points, yeah. The only problem that still comes from this is aimbotting Suspects that immediately hit your legs before you have time to crouch.

[SCREAMBLADE]

Originally posted by Zet395:

Originally posted by bben:

the crack is to prevent players from abusing the shield too much

u heavily rely on ur buddies to cover ur flanks and ur back
competent players behind u will know wht to do even without u telling them wht u r seeing
cos everyone knows u cant see ♥♥♥♥ taking in 12303 rounds / min

u r supposed to be that temporary cover when busting thru the door
they r supposed to sneak in behind u asap and take the shot while you aggro

focus on providing enough space so that ur team can move in and help u
just crouch and wait for it to end
only shoot if the threat is v close / with knives / self defense

if ur playing singleplayer i can see why shield is problematic cos AI swat are not smart enough to do wht they r supposed to do

These are valid points, yeah. The only problem that still comes from this is aimbotting Suspects that immediately hit your legs before you have time to crouch.

In my experience I clear a room 3 ways while soloing:
1) Commit to closing the gap -- Unlock then fully open the door from the side, them switch to the shield, crouch and push

2) Pushing the door open -- Peak the door, then nudge the door open with the shield up

3) Use the shield like Blackbeard in R6 -- Lean a corner with the shield up, protects any stray shots aimed for your head as you clear.

In what situations are you getting hit in the legs though? When I run shields I use them for clearing externally or pushing into a room ONCE I throw a nade in.

When you are pushing down a long sight line as well, don't hold your gun out and expose it. Unless you KNOW there is a threat or see someone who is down but not detained.

[Zet395]

Originally posted by SCREAMBLADE:

Originally posted by Zet395:

These are valid points, yeah. The only problem that still comes from this is aimbotting Suspects that immediately hit your legs before you have time to crouch.

In my experience I clear a room 3 ways while soloing:
1) Commit to closing the gap -- Unlock then fully open the door from the side, them switch to the shield, crouch and push

2) Pushing the door open -- Peak the door, then nudge the door open with the shield up

3) Use the shield like Blackbeard in R6 -- Lean a corner with the shield up, protects any stray shots aimed for your head as you clear.

In what situations are you getting hit in the legs though? When I run shields I use them for clearing externally or pushing into a room ONCE I throw a nade in.

When you are pushing down a long sight line as well, don't hold your gun out and expose it. Unless you KNOW there is a threat or see someone who is down but not detained.

When I used the shield -- and I'm not exaggerating -- whenever I moved while a Suspect had me in their sight, any slight movement I made would end up getting my legs shot, and I would start bleeding, which forced me to try to get out of harm's way. More often than not, I had to stop dead in my tracks whenever I started getting shot at, in hopes to prevent getting my legs shot. I hardly ever used my gun, unless I knew a Suspect was reloading.

[SCREAMBLADE]

Originally posted by Zet395:

Originally posted by SCREAMBLADE:

In my experience I clear a room 3 ways while soloing:
1) Commit to closing the gap -- Unlock then fully open the door from the side, them switch to the shield, crouch and push

2) Pushing the door open -- Peak the door, then nudge the door open with the shield up

3) Use the shield like Blackbeard in R6 -- Lean a corner with the shield up, protects any stray shots aimed for your head as you clear.

In what situations are you getting hit in the legs though? When I run shields I use them for clearing externally or pushing into a room ONCE I throw a nade in.

When you are pushing down a long sight line as well, don't hold your gun out and expose it. Unless you KNOW there is a threat or see someone who is down but not detained.

When I used the shield -- and I'm not exaggerating -- whenever I moved while a Suspect had me in their sight, any slight movement I made would end up getting my legs shot, and I would start bleeding, which forced me to try to get out of harm's way. More often than not, I had to stop dead in my tracks whenever I started getting shot at, in hopes to prevent getting my legs shot. I hardly ever used my gun, unless I knew a Suspect was reloading.

Fair, I feel like I haven't noticed that in my end but yeah.

[Zet395]

Originally posted by SCREAMBLADE:

Originally posted by Zet395:

When I used the shield -- and I'm not exaggerating -- whenever I moved while a Suspect had me in their sight, any slight movement I made would end up getting my legs shot, and I would start bleeding, which forced me to try to get out of harm's way. More often than not, I had to stop dead in my tracks whenever I started getting shot at, in hopes to prevent getting my legs shot. I hardly ever used my gun, unless I knew a Suspect was reloading.

Fair, I feel like I haven't noticed that in my end but yeah.

You've been lucky then. lol. I'm not sure when it started, but I want to assume it started sometime after the last content update. (Not this most recent one.) I hardly ever get hit in the torso, unless they have a shotgun. They either miss, or hit my limbs. My teammates usually notice this, too. It's like 90% leg hits, and the rest goes to the arms, or goes right through your armor.

[SCREAMBLADE]

Originally posted by Zet395:

Originally posted by SCREAMBLADE:

Fair, I feel like I haven't noticed that in my end but yeah.

You've been lucky then. lol. I'm not sure when it started, but I want to assume it started sometime after the last content update. (Not this most recent one.) I hardly ever get hit in the torso, unless they have a shotgun. They either miss, or hit my limbs. My teammates usually notice this, too. It's like 90% leg hits, and the rest goes to the arms, or goes right through your armor.

Did a quick test using both shields, crouching, and they kept aiming centre mass. No injuries..... almost to easy for me.

[Andy Mil]

I stand still and sit
my arm got shot even shield is all up with my arm inside
I dont wanna use something that totally not working

shield bash SMASH is not working cuz dev make ur melee range terrible than ai
ai can shoot through shield if u super close and they gun dont get push up cuz they are NPC not ai controlled player to have same status liek us

[Zet395]

Originally posted by SCREAMBLADE:

Originally posted by Zet395:

You've been lucky then. lol. I'm not sure when it started, but I want to assume it started sometime after the last content update. (Not this most recent one.) I hardly ever get hit in the torso, unless they have a shotgun. They either miss, or hit my limbs. My teammates usually notice this, too. It's like 90% leg hits, and the rest goes to the arms, or goes right through your armor.

Did a quick test using both shields, crouching, and they kept aiming centre mass. No injuries..... almost to easy for me.

I'm not sure what to say then. It would consistently get my legs shot, so long as I moved at all, or reacted too late.