300 Blackout

[Ninjajohn]

but why? why remove the best bullet ever made?

[Jamesinator]

Wait they removed the .300 blackout rifle? the SBR? WHY!? I swear, did they replace it with another 5.56 reskin?

[Ninjajohn]

Originally posted by Jamesinator:

Wait they removed the .300 blackout rifle? the SBR? WHY!? I swear, did they replace it with another 5.56 reskin?

yes sir just another 556

[Major Fret]

Originally posted by Cursed Hawkins:

Originally posted by Ninjajohn:

yes sir just another 556

Judging by what I'm seeing (and the information could very well be wrong because its coming from an editable wiki page) its exclusively used for Military forces, specifically in the Netherlands and UK, so if this context is to be taken at heart, a U.S police department having access to Military grade rounds wouldn't make sense.

.300 BLK would avalible commercially in the US. I'm sure a police department could easily get their hands on some if they wanted it.

Anyway, I think the change is really dumb, as I said on the RoN discord:

With the 'change' with the SBR-300 turning it into the SBR-556, we now have 5 guns that are the same caliber (M4A1, SR-16, Mk. 16 SCAR-L, HK-416/Mk.1 Carbine) and fill the same roll. You could pretty much just have one of those weapons in the game and it'd make no difference. RoN doesn't need to go down the road of having 20 assault rifles that all play the same and are basically re-skins of each other like most modern shooters do.

Compared to the current SMG line up, I can see each weapon at least fitting into a unique roll (even if they don't at the moment):
-MPX - Faster reloads than the MP5 and can mount IR lasers at the cost of not having burst fire selectable and maybe down the road worst recoil
-MP5 - Lower recoil than all SMGs but slowest reloads
-UMP-45 - Most powerful SMG at the cost of lower capacity mags and slightly more recoil

EDIT:
One of the things I love about SWAT 4 is I can make an argument for just about any primary weapon in that game. The MP5 in that game is very controllabe, but being restricted to burst only is very limiting. The UMP-45 is very controllable, even on full auto, but it has lower magazine capacity and is still not as powerful as the rifles. The M4A1 is very lethal but anything beyond a 3-round burst will have you shooting the roof. The G36C may handle slightly worse than the M4A1, but it can fire in 2-round bursts, allowing for very controlled, yet rapid and powerful double taps.

[Purple]

isnt sbr suppose to stand for short barrel rifle? it isnt short at all

[Rettom]

The SBR-300 could be even shorter. But this weapon is still chambered in .300 because the magazines aren't interchangable with the 5.56 weapons and you can clearly see it's .300 when you check your magazine.

Has more damage from my experience and feel than the 5.56 weapons. It's currently just a name change as far as I'm concerned.

[Spooky]

They just changed the name, says so in the patch details

[Evro [EUcz]]

Best bullet is virtually 7.62x39 but much more expensive and rare. And actually not best in anything.

[Bruce Springsteen fan]

Originally posted by Ackreti:

Best bullet is virtually 7.62x39 but much more expensive and rare. And actually not best in anything.

The GIGN replaced their 5.56 HK416's with 7.62x39 Bren 2's because they said the 5.56 wasn't cutting it against a well armed terrorist.

[LazyAmerican]

If we wanna get really, really nitpicky...none of the rifles eject anything besides what appears to be a somewhat exaggerated 5.56 shell casings....so technically they were all 5.56 anyway lol. Even the AK does...so there's that.

[-=312th=- TerminusV]

Originally posted by roomcleaner:

Originally posted by Ackreti:

Best bullet is virtually 7.62x39 but much more expensive and rare. And actually not best in anything.

The GIGN replaced their 5.56 HK416's with 7.62x39 Bren 2's because they said the 5.56 wasn't cutting it against a well armed terrorist.

Which is funny because the high velocity of the U.S. M855 5.56 was actually designed to penetrate body armor up to level 3.

[Bruce Springsteen fan]

Originally posted by -=312th=- TerminusV:

Originally posted by roomcleaner:

The GIGN replaced their 5.56 HK416's with 7.62x39 Bren 2's because they said the 5.56 wasn't cutting it against a well armed terrorist.

Which is funny because the high velocity of the U.S. M855 5.56 was actually designed to penetrate body armor up to level 3.

A lot of people carry level 3+ plates these days and level 4 that will easily stop both.

[Barking Sands]

A thread for this topic was created yesterday.

All I could find is that Wilson makes an SBR WC-15 chambered in .300 AAC BLK, but Springfield (a manufacturer that I would recommend over Wilson) makes an SBR AR-15 chambered in .556 but capable of being converted over to a .300 AAC BLK. If the in-game rifle is the Springfield variant, it would correctly be titled an SBR-556 but also chambered in .300 AAC BLK. I'm far from an expert on this, but I think the updated description is intended to maximize verisimilitude and the firearm itself is unchanged.