train station problem

[赢政]

I have a suggestion, whether the official can add a sliding range size module inside the train station. The current train station coverage feels very small. I hope the official can add it. Thanks

[MirkoC407]

It is adjustable now, but only smaller. Right now maximum catchment area is a circle with3 km diameter. i.e. peope living at the outer end have 1.5 km to the station as the crow flies. This will often mean beyond 2 km to walk on streets, which is sufficient. If I was a passenger and that far from the station I'd either expect other means of transport to the station (tram, bus - there are bus mods out there) or I'd drive by car anyways. And even for P&R there are pedestrian, cyclist and car mods that allow you to simulate this with additional stations and feeder lines.

[赢政]

Originally posted by MirkoC407:

It is adjustable now, but only smaller. Right now maximum catchment area is a circle with3 km diameter. i.e. peope living at the outer end have 1.5 km to the station as the crow flies. This will often mean beyond 2 km to walk on streets, which is sufficient. If I was a passenger and that far from the station I'd either expect other means of transport to the station (tram, bus - there are bus mods out there) or I'd drive by car anyways. And even for P&R there are pedestrian, cyclist and car mods that allow you to simulate this with additional stations and feeder lines.

There's nothing wrong with what you're doing. Big cities have no problem. In a small place, walking 2 stops using other means of transportation is too wasteful. It would be better if the coverage at the train station could be adjusted.

[赢政]

Originally posted by MirkoC407:

It is adjustable now, but only smaller. Right now maximum catchment area is a circle with3 km diameter. i.e. peope living at the outer end have 1.5 km to the station as the crow flies. This will often mean beyond 2 km to walk on streets, which is sufficient. If I was a passenger and that far from the station I'd either expect other means of transport to the station (tram, bus - there are bus mods out there) or I'd drive by car anyways. And even for P&R there are pedestrian, cyclist and car mods that allow you to simulate this with additional stations and feeder lines.

Offering more options is always a good thing. And some people are too lazy to build new lines. Because it's too short

[MirkoC407]

In the end it is up to the dev. But remember there are two sides to the medal. If you allow increasing it to cover more rural area (which indeed sometimes would not be too bad) and someone has the strange idea to increase the radius of a station in the middle of Shanghai, the coverage number might become so big that the game crashes for a data overflow of coverage value.

[赢政]

Originally posted by MirkoC407:

In the end it is up to the dev. But remember there are two sides to the medal. If you allow increasing it to cover more rural area (which indeed sometimes would not be too bad) and someone has the strange idea to increase the radius of a station in the middle of Shanghai, the coverage number might become so big that the game crashes for a data overflow of coverage value.

That's true, it still depends on the developer

[david_neibig]

One possible solution for not having too large a population coverage would be to allow a larger area than currently but to stop you from making it bigger than a certain population amount.

Eg you allow a coverage radius of up to 5km. But limit the population in a single coverage area to 250k (arbitrary number I picked).
If the area is very rural you can have the full 5km radius because it's population at that radius is still under 250k.

If the station is in a densely populated area with 250k people living withing 500m of the station, then that becomes the maximum coverage area (even though that's a smaller radius than you can currently pick for that station).

Although I'm not sure how feasible that is to do.

[xsrvmy]

If your station is not within catchment area of a population center, you could actually just use the platform footprint extender and short platforms to shift where your station's coverage circle is, although this could be considered a bit cheaty. I do think mainline stations need larger coverage though.

I think the bigger issue is just that providing additional transportation slows down the game. Also inbound demand to a station is not population based so building more stations in an area will increase inbound demand which may or may not be desirable.

[xsrvmy]

Originally posted by MirkoC407:

In the end it is up to the dev. But remember there are two sides to the medal. If you allow increasing it to cover more rural area (which indeed sometimes would not be too bad) and someone has the strange idea to increase the radius of a station in the middle of Shanghai, the coverage number might become so big that the game crashes for a data overflow of coverage value.

TBF overflow probably isn't a problem (the 32 bit integer limit is larger than the population of China)

[MirkoC407]

Originally posted by xsrvmy:

TBF overflow probably isn't a problem (the 32 bit integer limit is larger than the population of China)

Unless the variable is shared with something else...

[赢政]

Originally posted by david_neibig:

One possible solution for not having too large a population coverage would be to allow a larger area than currently but to stop you from making it bigger than a certain population amount.

Eg you allow a coverage radius of up to 5km. But limit the population in a single coverage area to 250k (arbitrary number I picked).
If the area is very rural you can have the full 5km radius because it's population at that radius is still under 250k.

If the station is in a densely populated area with 250k people living withing 500m of the station, then that becomes the maximum coverage area (even though that's a smaller radius than you can currently pick for that station).

Although I'm not sure how feasible that is to do.

OK

[adlet]

Originally posted by david_neibig:

One possible solution for not having too large a population coverage would be to allow a larger area than currently but to stop you from making it bigger than a certain population amount.

Eg you allow a coverage radius of up to 5km. But limit the population in a single coverage area to 250k (arbitrary number I picked).
If the area is very rural you can have the full 5km radius because it's population at that radius is still under 250k.

If the station is in a densely populated area with 250k people living withing 500m of the station, then that becomes the maximum coverage area (even though that's a smaller radius than you can currently pick for that station).

Although I'm not sure how feasible that is to do.

I like this idea. It would also push you to put more stations where there is a lot of population around i.e. develop your transportation, just as in real life. Another benefit is while you are developing your network and have few stations, they would not capture too much of areas that are further out and that would eventually shift to other stations you are putting in, so that there is less of a change in demand patterns as new stations are added.

A cap of something around 60,000 practically speaking may be a good one based on patterns I have seen. (Or it could be a configurable option to set the maximum).