Why Remaster and not a Remake?

[Jornada nos Retrogames]

Whyyyy?? I would buy it if it was a remake like Trials of Mana is a was beautiful and fun to play. Now that's not even worth the money spent.

[GrimAtrament]

引用自 Seraphita：

And you're trying to criticize them as if you know anything about them. It doesn't work. You don't like them. Series is not for you.

it's amazing how hard it is for people to accept that video games are subjective and not made for everyone.
it's like people who hate metroidvenia's for not telling you exactly where to go despite the point of the game being exploration.

[Iron Maiden]

引用自 Seraphita：

引用自 Iron Maiden：

No I do like Manga game just not bad one like the Mana games all are.

You LITERALLY just proved my point and added ignorance to it. "Manga games" what? You proved my claim that you just don't like mana games. And you're trying to criticize them as if you know anything about them. It doesn't work. You don't like them. Series is not for you.

引用自 Neiro：

Why not?

Because it's a bias. If you have a bias in which you already hate a series, no arguments to explain how good something really is is going to go through. That bias prevents him from seeing any actual solid argument that support the remake's quality. He denies all of them.

Thing is I do know something about them since I have played them all from star to finish. All of them are bad not just in graphics gameplay story and sound but in execution presentation and complete lack of polish as well.

[Seraphita]

引用自 Hazarddex：

it's amazing how hard it is for people to accept that video games are subjective and not made for everyone.
it's like people who hate metroidvenia's for not telling you exactly where to go despite the point of the game being exploration.

I would understand if they somehow had played them fully and were actually able to give criticism about certain things but this is not what we're seeing here. They just outright said the entire mana series is ♥♥♥♥ to them. Like, okay. Mana series might just not be for him...

引用自 Iron Maiden：

Thing is I do know something about them since I have played them all from star to finish. All of them are bad not just in graphics gameplay story and sound but in execution presentation and complete lack of polish as well.

Then I'm afraid to say that you're either blind, deaf and whatever else. Or you have no idea what you're talking about and you're a minority who disliked "them all" supposedly. The series was very popular on japan's side and also in the west, thanks to translators and etc.

To claim with a straight face that trials of mana looks terrible when it's literally one of their best remakes to date versus Secret of Mana and all the crap mobile ports we got, is very questionable. So yeah, I can't really take you seriously with this kind of opinions. Nope.

[GrimAtrament]

引用自 Seraphita：

引用自 Hazarddex：

it's amazing how hard it is for people to accept that video games are subjective and not made for everyone.
it's like people who hate metroidvenia's for not telling you exactly where to go despite the point of the game being exploration.

I would understand if they somehow had played them fully and were actually able to give criticism about certain things but this is not what we're seeing here. They just outright said the entire mana series is ♥♥♥♥ to them. Like, okay. Mana series might just not be for him...

Iron maiden does that a lot where they will say x game is bad not explain then expect everyone to agree with there world view as objective truth despite being subjective.
i really wish steam would just add a ignore button already.

[Iron Maiden]

引用自 Seraphita：

引用自 Hazarddex：

it's amazing how hard it is for people to accept that video games are subjective and not made for everyone.
it's like people who hate metroidvenia's for not telling you exactly where to go despite the point of the game being exploration.

I would understand if they somehow had played them fully and were actually able to give criticism about certain things but this is not what we're seeing here. They just outright said the entire mana series is ♥♥♥♥ to them. Like, okay. Mana series might just not be for him...

引用自 Iron Maiden：

Thing is I do know something about them since I have played them all from star to finish. All of them are bad not just in graphics gameplay story and sound but in execution presentation and complete lack of polish as well.

Then I'm afraid to say that you're either blind, deaf and whatever else. Or you have no idea what you're talking about and you're a minority who disliked "them all" supposedly. The series was very popular on japan's side and also in the west, thanks to translators and etc.

To claim with a straight face that trials of mana looks terrible when it's literally one of their best remakes to date versus Secret of Mana and all the crap mobile ports we got, is very questionable. So yeah, I can't really take you seriously with this kind of opinions. Nope.

Perfectly good eyesight perfectly good hearing and any who actually thinks Trial of Mana looks sound and plays great really really does need to go and see a specialist of some kind. One of the ugliest and bad sounding games made in the last 10 years.

[TheShadowHatter]

because this is an underrated game simple as that. they want a safe investment and they do that with an easy remaster instead of pouring resources into remaking a game that still have CT purists crying about whether or not it's a sequel. if it sells well then maybe they'd remake it but i doubt it. i'm just happy more people get to play and enjoy it now.

[Gabby]

引用自 Iron Maiden：

引用自 Seraphita：

Quit trolling, thanks. If you had ACTUALLY played Trials of Mana, you would feel pretty dumb right now. The entire Seiken Densetsu 3 game has been remade and pretty accurately as well, not to mention that the characters and their evolving patterns look pretty good. NOT only that, we even got bonus stuff that weren't in the original. So yes, you're being ignorant...

ALL the mana series games that have recently been released are crap, and just because I do not like it and think they are terrible (because they are ) does NOT take away from the fact that I have played because I HAVE. So what if they have been made accurately they are still bad, they look play and sound bad and lets be honest they were not particularly great when they were first released.

Dude, Trials was a full on 3D remake from the ground up with voice acting, cutscenes, etc. That's not "lazy" and it was definitely not "crappy" in the slightest. Disliking it is your own thing but stop pretending that's not effort. You come off as an impossible individual to which there's no point discussing anything.

引用自 Iron Maiden：

引用自 Seraphita：

You LITERALLY just proved my point and added ignorance to it. "Manga games" what? You proved my claim that you just don't like mana games. And you're trying to criticize them as if you know anything about them. It doesn't work. You don't like them. Series is not for you.


Because it's a bias. If you have a bias in which you already hate a series, no arguments to explain how good something really is is going to go through. That bias prevents him from seeing any actual solid argument that support the remake's quality. He denies all of them.

Thing is I do know something about them since I have played them all from star to finish. All of them are bad not just in graphics gameplay story and sound but in execution presentation and complete lack of polish as well.

Oh yeah, no bias here. Totally. XD

I'm sorry but you're babbling at this point. Secret of Mana is held up as one of the most beloved games to ever come out of Squaresoft and you're trying to talk it up like it was a horrible thing with everything wrong to it. Just stop.

引用自 Iron Maiden：

引用自 Seraphita：

I would understand if they somehow had played them fully and were actually able to give criticism about certain things but this is not what we're seeing here. They just outright said the entire mana series is ♥♥♥♥ to them. Like, okay. Mana series might just not be for him...


Then I'm afraid to say that you're either blind, deaf and whatever else. Or you have no idea what you're talking about and you're a minority who disliked "them all" supposedly. The series was very popular on japan's side and also in the west, thanks to translators and etc.

To claim with a straight face that trials of mana looks terrible when it's literally one of their best remakes to date versus Secret of Mana and all the crap mobile ports we got, is very questionable. So yeah, I can't really take you seriously with this kind of opinions. Nope.

Perfectly good eyesight perfectly good hearing and any who actually thinks Trial of Mana looks sound and plays great really really does need to go and see a specialist of some kind. One of the ugliest and bad sounding games made in the last 10 years.

I genuinely grow concerned about your mental well being.

[Iron Maiden]

引用自 Gabby：

引用自 Iron Maiden：

ALL the mana series games that have recently been released are crap, and just because I do not like it and think they are terrible (because they are ) does NOT take away from the fact that I have played because I HAVE. So what if they have been made accurately they are still bad, they look play and sound bad and lets be honest they were not particularly great when they were first released.

Dude, Trials was a full on 3D remake from the ground up with voice acting, cutscenes, etc. That's not "lazy" and it was definitely not "crappy" in the slightest. Disliking it is your own thing but stop pretending that's not effort. You come off as an impossible individual to which there's no point discussing anything.

It was still a deeply crappy lazy remake.

[Gabby]

Yeah, you're trolling. The moment you stick the word "lazy" in there to comment on a full 3D remake from the ground up with new content, voice acting, etc, from what was originally a drawn art SNES game...

ROFL. Okay. I can't take anything you say seriously.

[Iron Maiden]

引用自 Gabby：

Yeah, you're trolling. The moment you stick the word "lazy" in there to comment on a full 3D remake from the ground up with new content, voice acting, etc, from what was originally a drawn art SNES game...

ROFL. Okay. I can't take anything you say seriously.

No I am not trolling, what the issue here is YOU can not except the truth that it was a deeply lazy remake. At this point you are the one trolling.

[Gabby]

引用自 Iron Maiden：

引用自 Gabby：

Yeah, you're trolling. The moment you stick the word "lazy" in there to comment on a full 3D remake from the ground up with new content, voice acting, etc, from what was originally a drawn art SNES game...

ROFL. Okay. I can't take anything you say seriously.

No I am not trolling, what the issue here is YOU can not except the truth that it was a deeply lazy remake. At this point you are the one trolling.

Okay, whatever you say. By the way, I have this bridge I'm selling, since you believe your own BS this hard, would you like to buy it?

[Melodia]

引用自 Iron Maiden：

No I am not trolling, what the issue here is YOU can not except the truth that it was a deeply lazy remake. At this point you are the one trolling.

Ok I'll bite. What exactly was lazy about it?

[Mojohosavich]

Because remakes are trash

[Foulcher]

If at least it looked like a proper remaster… But they know they can milk their fanbase by skipping the hardest work. Like on PSX FF games.

[Seraphita]

引用自 Foulcher：

If at least it looked like a proper remaster… But they know they can milk their fanbase by skipping the hardest work. Like on PSX FF games.

PSX ff games are a little lazy on steam but Chrono cross seems to have more efforts made. We don't really know yet how well the game work and everything so it's pretty hard to say.