Suggestion on stat gain

[Kiluma]

So im under the impression that after each star gain you need to fight normal battles to gain small stat gains in between and if you dont in between star gains you lose those small gains (please correct me if im wrong about this)

Can you make it so those small stat gains sort of back log and you can grind away battles to get them all eventually on say characters that arent available or lost for half the game so you can actually fully maximize everybody if you want

[frowningmirror]

Originally posted by Kiluma:

So im under the impression that after each star gain you need to fight normal battles to gain small stat gains in between and if you dont in between star gains you lose those small gains (please correct me if im wrong about this)

Can you make it so those small stat gains sort of back log and you can grind away battles to get them all eventually on say characters that arent available or lost for half the game so you can actually fully maximize everybody if you want

Heres the simple takeaway, it already has that:

1. All randomized gains are somewhat based on your potential maximums, if you are far away from where you're "supposed" to be, you are more likely to gain back up towards the end. Infact, you can manipulate this towards the end to ensure you get max stats at 99 stars.
2. After a boss battle you get some random, major gains, for everyone in the game
3. Within the next 8 non-boss battles, you'll gain small stat gains, also random, but only for the people within your party.
4. Hp gains from mini levels are the hardest to max out, being that the chance of them occurring never seems to be in large increments, meaning doing a lot of those non-bosses between levels helps.

[Kiluma]

so what if there are characters that ive never played before maxing out stars, will they get just a ton on the small stat gains if i use them afterwards or are they stuck?

[asmoranomar]

Originally posted by Kiluma:

so what if there are characters that ive never played before maxing out stars, will they get just a ton on the small stat gains if i use them afterwards or are they stuck?

No. If you really are 99 stars, then you can't get anymore stat gains.

Originally posted by Kiluma:

Can you make it so those small stat gains sort of back log and you can grind away battles to get them all eventually on say characters that arent available or lost for half the game so you can actually fully maximize everybody if you want

This is technically how the game works. Oversimplified and excluding RNG ofc.

Since all stats have a predetermined cap, missing out on minor stat gains means missing out on the chance for a stat gain, not the stat gains themselves. You have many other opportunities to gain, and you can get very close to the cap just casually hitting 99 stars. Furthermore, even having a character in your party the entire time does not guarantee capped stats.

Capping stats are more than just missed grinding opportunities, it involves knowing how the game formulas for stat gains work, how to accurately predict future stats, how to avoid over-stat'ing and when to chase minor stat gains or ignore them. In some cases, the road to ensuring you are able to cap closes several levels prior to 99 stars. And if you get bad RNG, (gain or not gain a stat at the wrong time), then you have to reset ALL those level gains. At this point, you would need to consult an in-depth guide.

My recommendation: Don't worry about stat chasing too much, it's hard enough to do with one character, much less so for every single character in the game. If your a stat chaser, set the bar a bit lower for this game - like 98% for everyone or only 100% max stats for your fav character.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

The game is also incredibly easy, and you will never have any need to min-max a character.

[Draggy]

Based on my own experience I have an assumption that stat gains also depend on your play style, because I often find out from different youtube videos that ppl who rush the game to make video walkthroughs/streams have far far worse stats even on main character (as well as other same characters) than my characters on the same star level and I noticed this a lot of times so I assume that taking your time to carefully play the game, avoiding characters dying, having the best equipment etc. somehow affects character stat gains but I'm not sure if this depends on simply grinding a lot between boss battles or also depends on the way you act during battles and in general how well you play the game. It's just that I play the game very thoroughly and often noticed that my characters had a lot more HP, STR, DEF, MGC AND M.DEF than same characters in other ppl's walkthroughs.

[frowningmirror]

It has nothing to do with playstyle, just chance. You have about 8 battles to "cap" out a characters smaller gains before the next boss that gives you a star that includes a major gain.

By 99 stars, you'll probably be near max'd out on most stats, but you basically need more mini-levels to cap your HP. Furthermore, the closer you are to maxing a stat, the worse chance there is to get a gain.

[Kiluma]

I'm not necessarily worried about min/maxing stats im more just afraid that if theres some characters i never used until after i get all stars and then wanna try them out that they will have horrible stats, and then maybe i actually like them so then i have to make a new game just so they get decent stats

[asmoranomar]

Originally posted by Draggy:

Based on my own experience I have an assumption that stat gains also depend on your play style...

No. Unless your playstyle is "I happen to do things that happen to coincide with how the game works", then you don't get stat gains for simply grinding, wearing the right gear, or how you act during battles. It's like saying roosters must be creators of the universe because every time they crow the sun comes up. aka - a casual fallacy - how you think you got those gains is unrelated to how you actually got them.

Originally posted by Draggy:

...avoiding characters dying...

This though - yes. If a character remains dead during a boss battle that rewards a star, then they do not get the bonuses for that star level. However, as mentioned before, you aren't missing the stat - your missing the opportunity to gain a stat. You can still get the stat later.

Originally posted by Draggy:

...often noticed that my characters had a lot more HP, STR, DEF, MGC AND M.DEF than same characters in other ppl's walkthroughs.

Unless the guides are covering the road to 99 and max stats (and by extension, you yourself are 99), then anything prior to level 99 can't be taken with absolute certainty in regards to gain performance. Even if you had level 0 stats at level 48 for some ungodly reason, you can still cap stats if you really wanted to.

If you aren't 99, then you can't really use mid-game stats as an accurate gauge for....well anything really. I mean it's impressive that you had above average stats compared to a walkthru....but If you said you also did it with below average stats - well, that would be equally impressive, no?

Originally posted by Kiluma:

...theres some characters i never used until after i get all stars and then wanna try them out that they will have horrible stats...

I think it's important to explain that all characters get boss/star level gains even if they are not in your active party, you just don't see them on the victory screen. At level 99, all your characters should be about 99% of their max - on average. Of course, RNG can drag that down - but it should not be enough to make them have unplayable/horrible stats.

I think it's also important to explain that everyone has a set of predetermined maximum stats. For example, nobody can get a natural 99 STR - Leah is on top with 93 STR, and Razzly sits at the bottom with 72 STR. Everything is being pushed toward each characters predetermined max, so at 99 everyone should be close to their own cap.

Is it possible your fretting over something insubstantial? Have you consulted a stat guide? Do you have someone who's stats are unexplainably low?

[frowningmirror]

Originally posted by Kiluma:

I'm not necessarily worried about min/maxing stats im more just afraid that if theres some characters i never used until after i get all stars and then wanna try them out that they will have horrible stats, and then maybe i actually like them so then i have to make a new game just so they get decent stats

Just bring your new teammates with you for 1 or two boss battles, they will catch up. You really only need to start worrying about max stats until after NG+ with 60+ something stars.

If you wanted to max stat everyone, you can even use the teleporter so that you can train multiple characters at once between boss fights, so you don't lose out on the HP gains

[Kiluma]

Originally posted by asmoranomar:

Originally posted by Kiluma:

...theres some characters i never used until after i get all stars and then wanna try them out that they will have horrible stats...

I think it's important to explain that all characters get boss/star level gains even if they are not in your active party, you just don't see them on the victory screen. At level 99, all your characters should be about 99% of their max - on average. Of course, RNG can drag that down - but it should not be enough to make them have unplayable/horrible stats.

I think it's also important to explain that everyone has a set of predetermined maximum stats. For example, nobody can get a natural 99 STR - Leah is on top with 93 STR, and Razzly sits at the bottom with 72 STR. Everything is being pushed toward each characters predetermined max, so at 99 everyone should be close to their own cap.

Is it possible your fretting over something insubstantial? Have you consulted a stat guide? Do you have someone who's stats are unexplainably low?

that actually helps a lot, i was kinda misunderstanding it