thinking of getting the game but, does the ai use cheats?

[Junior]

cause if so i would kinda lost intersted =c

[Ixal]

Yes. Both openly (AI rules have specific buff traits players do not have) and in secret by for example knowing the whole map and where the pickups are.

[Junior]

Originally posted by Ixal:

yes.

sad, i will wait till someone develop a mod that probally plays better and cheat less/nocheat tho..... :/ thanks anyway

[Stacks]

Not really, if you set your people to auto explore they'll automatically find all the pickups anyway and if you split all of your parties up into single units and do this you'll still get a huge head start over the AI.

[Eldrin]

Originally posted by Andy:

Originally posted by Ixal:

yes.

sad, i will wait till someone develop a mod that probally plays better and cheat less/nocheat tho..... :/ thanks anyway

That will never exist.

[Junior]

Originally posted by Stacks:

Not really, if you set your people to auto explore they'll automatically find all the pickups anyway and if you split all of your parties up into single units and do this you'll still get a huge head start over the AI.

ehmmm me having a huge head start of the ai is not the same as it cheating or not, being able to beat it don't mean it don't cheat, waht matter is if it play with the same rules as Me.........

if i can do one turn in chess, the ai must be able to do just one turn too.....

if i have to pay i dunno 2 points for a upgrade, the ai must spend 2 points too, lets say something hypothetical cost 99999999999999999999999999999999999 and for the ai cost 99999999999999999999999999999999998 thats cheating already no matter how minor it is....

therse two types of cheating, the gameplay/directly rule changing cheats with would be a chess ai doing more turns than you,

or the ai having a advantage over you biological body with is something we usually don't care much about unless its a real time game like in starcraft the default game ai offer cheating less options, but google also made a AI that beat most pro players it was kinda cheating on the first version due to extreme spikes in clicks per second/minute, but it was changed on later versions, they limited the clicks per second instead and having to spend clicks moving the screen as well so it was finally winning by playing better instead of taking advantage of humans limitations, this is some minor type of cheating that we really don't care about and is not really what i talk about tho, but gameplay/rules changing cheats its something i usually never accept in games that i see as PVP games where is player vs player, and the AI is suposed to replace a human function.....

i don't mind ai cheating in campaing games due to devs creativity freedom to make good experiences, but when i see a game as a competition, like a PVP i really don't accept rules cheating its my personal taste.

[SirKnechtalot]

Just in case you didn´t figured it out yet: the bots cheat allways. In every game. ^^

[Junior]

Originally posted by SirKnechtalot:

Just in case you didn´t figured it out yet: the bots cheat allways. In every game. ^^

some games offer cheat free Ai so no its not every game....

[Stacks]

Originally posted by Andy:

Originally posted by Stacks:

Not really, if you set your people to auto explore they'll automatically find all the pickups anyway and if you split all of your parties up into single units and do this you'll still get a huge head start over the AI.

ehmmm me having a huge head start of the ai is not the same as it cheating or not, being able to beat it don't mean it don't cheat, waht matter is if it play with the same rules as Me.........

if i can do one turn in chess, the ai must be able to do just one turn too.....

if i have to pay i dunno 2 points for a upgrade, the ai must spend 2 points too, lets say something hypothetical cost 99999999999999999999999999999999999 and for the ai cost 99999999999999999999999999999999998 thats cheating already no matter how minor it is....

therse two types of cheating, the gameplay/directly rule changing cheats with would be a chess ai doing more turns than you,

or the ai having a advantage over you biological body with is something we usually don't care much about unless its a real time game like in starcraft the default game ai offer cheating less options, but google also made a AI that beat most pro players it was kinda cheating on the first version due to extreme spikes in clicks per second/minute, but it was changed on later versions, they limited the clicks per second instead and having to spend clicks moving the screen as well so it was finally winning by playing better instead of taking advantage of humans limitations, this is some minor type of cheating that we really don't care about and is not really what i talk about tho, but gameplay/rules changing cheats its something i usually never accept in games that i see as PVP games where is player vs player, and the AI is suposed to replace a human function.....

i don't mind ai cheating in campaing games due to devs creativity freedom to make good experiences, but when i see a game as a competition, like a PVP i really don't accept rules cheating its my personal taste.

Great but it's not cheating because it works the exact same way for you when you use auto explore.

[titanopteryx]

When creating a custom ai for your avatar, you can see all the bonuses your ai can get. Like more food production or a big stability buff on every city. So the ai does get extra benefits.

[Viper]

PCs do not think. AI is just a bunch of preprogrammed actions and reactions. Its really not possible to make a game play as well as a human being. If you want any kind of challenge whatsoever they have to have buffs and things handed to them so they get a headstart. If you don't want that play multiplayer.

[Junior]

Originally posted by Viper:

Its really not possible to make a game play as well as a human being.

tick tac toe, checkers, go , chess, dota, starcraft 2, the bests ai there don't use cheats and beat the best players....

some games have good challenging ai but not play better than humans, so it is possible yes, but its expensive.... however AI
like the age of empires 2 definitive edition, theres no rules cheat there as far i know (maybe just a fog of war cheat im not sure i never checked the code there only on other games)

so its possible, i did not want start a discussion wheter this is possible or not just wanted to know if it did cheat, or atleast if it was possible to disable the cheat.

[Viper]

Originally posted by Andy:

Originally posted by Viper:

Its really not possible to make a game play as well as a human being.

tick tac toe, checkers, go , chess, dota, starcraft 2, the bests ai there don't use cheats and beat the best players....

some games have good challenging ai but not play better than humans, so it is possible yes, but its expensive.... however AI
like the age of empires 2 definitive edition, theres no rules cheat there as far i know (maybe just a fog of war cheat im not sure i never checked the code there only on other games)

so its possible, i did not want start a discussion wheter this is possible or not just wanted to know if it did cheat, or atleast if it was possible to disable the cheat.

tic tac toe is a game impossible to win...chess is all math which computers do very well. The other games you mentioned do not play better than human players.

[Lafettie]

Originally posted by Andy:

Originally posted by Viper:

Its really not possible to make a game play as well as a human being.

tick tac toe, checkers, go , chess, dota, starcraft 2, the bests ai there don't use cheats and beat the best players....

some games have good challenging ai but not play better than humans, so it is possible yes, but its expensive.... however AI
like the age of empires 2 definitive edition, theres no rules cheat there as far i know (maybe just a fog of war cheat im not sure i never checked the code there only on other games)

so its possible, i did not want start a discussion wheter this is possible or not just wanted to know if it did cheat, or atleast if it was possible to disable the cheat.

Do you know how much Time and Money it costs to develop those AI´s ? Yes its possible but the Devs here dont have Pro Players playing in a competetive enviroment so the AI can learn how to beat the Player with his own Strategies Also what the guy above me just wrote.

[Junior]

Originally posted by Viper:

tic tac toe is a game impossible to win...chess is all math which computers do very well. The other games you mentioned do not play better than human players.

read what i say correctly i did not said it was best than the best player in the world, i said it beat pro players and played in a same Level match its different, what i said stays true still, the best ais there did beat the best players not saying it was impossible to win/lose.

i already got my answer i think so i would like to lock this if possible.

[Harlequin]

https://humankind.fandom.com/wiki/Difficulty

You can just play on Metro which is functionally an even game, although it's going to be an easy one to beat.