Less cartoon. More realism.

[Hugh Manatee]

The game looks promising, but looks too much like TS4, in terms of characters and houses looking cartoony. TS, TS2 & to some extent, TS3 were all heading towards a more realistic look. Then TS4 came out and the game went backwards. In TS2, the sims had hair that flowed and looked fairly realistic. In TS4, the hair turned into a solid lump of clay. Don't get me started about TS4 eliminating the colour wheel, along with CAS. Taking infinite design choices away from the players ruined the game imo.

TS, and this game are meant to simulate life, not a cartoon. This is why I have no hang ups about nudity. We all have junk. Hiding it from a younger audience only prevents them from seeing what they'll eventually learn about. So, what benefit does it serve, apart from a few uptights, who can't deal with the fact that people have junk. A pen is a writing implement. A penis is not a pen. Big whoop! Women have breasts. So do chickens, yet we consume chicken breasts. Granted, there is no obvious connection there. What matters is, I got to say breasts twice. Well. Three times now.

To sum up. More realism and nudity! Chopping off a man's junk or hiding it is wrong, it's just wrong!

[kjconlon94]

Originally posted by Bird:

Originally posted by PolePanda2498:

>realism

No. What made the Sims so fun and charming that it WASN'T overly realistic. Sims 1 was more experimental and so they essentially went in a direction of making it like an old sitcom, or parody of suburban life - so there were snarky item descriptions, goofy animations, and a lot of gags and humor. People weren't into it just to simulate life, but because of all the dramas and crazy situations that could happen.

Sims 2 went more in the direction of being a "life simulator", but it still kept a lot of humor and charm. The animations were goofy and overexaggerated, the sims were babbling in their fake languge, and the various fights and dramas were rather comical - and that was what made it so fun. Sims 2 was a very lively game, and if you messed around in it you could create a lot of fun scenarios. And there was a lot of charm there, from the way the sims acted and reacted emotionally to various things to the cute and endearing interactions you could have with family and children. And the fact that the game was so family friendly was what made it so popular in the first place - it was a game for everyone. Children played it. Girls played it. Boys played it. Adults played it. I'm sure even some old people played the game at least a little. And everyone could find something fun in the game - be it decorating your own house, living out your fantasy of a rich or famous life, creating your ideal happy family or just tormenting sims for your own enjoyment - anybody could find their fun there. Sims 2 was an amazing game that still holds up really well and has a lot of soul and charm -sadly sims 3 was unpolished and had a greedy business model, and sims 4 is so bright, colorful and fake-happy. So sadly it went downhill from there.

So, no to realism. If you ask for a sims-like game to be "realistic", you don't understand what made it so popular in the first place.

Also the comments about exposing children to nudity... yeah let's not do that. That's just very creepy.

THIS

Except one tiny personal detail: as a kid I LOVED playing with genetics in the sims 2 that was one of my favourite aspects, something no other sim game since then has copied because fans always go but I want purple haiirrrrrrr *barf*

I mean I wouldn't mind full customisation, but i'd also adore it if offspring mutated slightly more natural and not purple mom and green haired mom get blue haired child :shrug:

The thing is if what was popular about sims computer game franchise with Sims 1, 2, 3,
and 4 was a completely unrealism to sims than why do I find so much Creative Content and Modds online to try to make Sims more realistic that seems a bit more contrary to your viewpoints.

[Bird]

Originally posted by kjconlon94:

Originally posted by Bird:

THIS

Except one tiny personal detail: as a kid I LOVED playing with genetics in the sims 2 that was one of my favourite aspects, something no other sim game since then has copied because fans always go but I want purple haiirrrrrrr *barf*

I mean I wouldn't mind full customisation, but i'd also adore it if offspring mutated slightly more natural and not purple mom and green haired mom get blue haired child :shrug:

The thing is if what was popular about sims computer game franchise with Sims 1, 2, 3,
and 4 was a completely unrealism to sims than why do I find so much Creative Content and Modds online to try to make Sims more realistic that seems a bit more contrary to your viewpoints.

but sims 2 gave you all the space to do any colours you wanted, but there were also genetics. that combination of genetics and full costumisation was amazing

[76561198856165040]

Originally posted by ChristineParalives:

There won't be nudity in the game as we prefer to put our focus on other aspects of gameplay that align with our vision and the overall mood we wish to achieve. We are also aiming for a PG13 rating.

Accommodating to an age system for financial benefits makes sense. Personally I prefer not to let such system act as a cage for my creative pursuits. I can't say I support your decision & speaking of aspects like nudity, it is as simple as applying a certain mesh/texture. Not much logic needs to be implemented to do that. It is a missed opportunity, and I hope you can at least provide the framework for modifications so people can mod their game to appeal to their personal desires whether it be nudity or sexual activities.

[Shifterplay]

To be honest, I love current visual design. Not only it looks great but it'll also make the game age at slower rate (at least visually). I'm not fond of calling for a "realism" in games, because it's too vague. Realistic games mostly feel like a chore and even life sim has to find a balance between something realistic and something that should be playable. That's why talking about features is more precise.

Paralives looks good so far and I wouldn't mind having private parts implemented in a game (in censored or optionally uncesored version), just to take my character to the backyard and enjoy the sun wearing brithday suit lol.

But it's more of a horizontal feature, it won't ruin my gameplay if I won't be able to do that.
Good AI, interactions, building system etc. are most important for now.

[kjconlon94]

Originally posted by Shifterplay:

To be honest, I love current visual design. Not only it looks great but it'll also make the game age at slower rate (at least visually). I'm not fond of calling for a "realism" in games, because it's too vague. Realistic games mostly feel like a chore and even life sim has to find a balance between something realistic and something that should be playable. That's why talking about features is more precise.

Paralives looks good so far and I wouldn't mind having private parts implemented in a game (in censored or optionally uncesored version), just to take my character to the backyard and enjoy the sun wearing brithday suit lol.

But it's more of a horizontal feature, it won't ruin my gameplay if I won't be able to do that.
Good AI, interactions, building system etc. are most important for now.

Why not have it officially optional for players on however they would like their paras to age since in sims there are those who prefer the vanilla unrealistic and then there are those who try to mod the vanilla unrealistic sims to be more realistic in appearance and aging even if it turned out that quite a bit of the download sites for the mods ended up making the mod downloading process virus unsafe and risky to use on official games. And even if Crusader Kings 3 legally got in trouble with Australia for even having the following (turning on and off being nudity being player optional choice) be considered too far by conservatives in Australia it still is something worth consideration.

[Aturchomicz]

Originally posted by kjconlon94:

Originally posted by Shifterplay:

To be honest, I love current visual design. Not only it looks great but it'll also make the game age at slower rate (at least visually). I'm not fond of calling for a "realism" in games, because it's too vague. Realistic games mostly feel like a chore and even life sim has to find a balance between something realistic and something that should be playable. That's why talking about features is more precise.

Paralives looks good so far and I wouldn't mind having private parts implemented in a game (in censored or optionally uncesored version), just to take my character to the backyard and enjoy the sun wearing brithday suit lol.

But it's more of a horizontal feature, it won't ruin my gameplay if I won't be able to do that.
even if it turned out that quite a bit of the download sites for the mods ended up making the mod downloading process virus unsafe and risky to use on official games.

Ok yeah nah I dont believe this from my experience. One example of this please, just one Article, Peer-reviewed Study, Social Media post, real life mail, litearlly anyone besides you saying this in 2022 wtf??

[kjconlon94]

Originally posted by Aturchomicz:

Originally posted by kjconlon94:

Ok yeah nah I dont believe this from my experience. One example of this please, just one Article, Peer-reviewed Study, Social Media post, real life mail, litearlly anyone besides you saying this in 2022 wtf??

I guess it was a desire by Australians to ban Crusader Kings 3 because of the nudity game play option. https://twinfinite.net/2020/09/an-aussies-quest-to-play-the-banned-crusader-kings-3/ https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/update-on-australian-and-new-zealand-pre-orders-edit-september-7-2020.1412102/page-11 https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/08/a-look-back-at-some-of-the-games-australia-has-banned/ https://www.gamerevolution.com/guides/658000-crusader-kings-3-nudity-age-rating-guide https://www.refused-classification.com/ And it is apparently similarly to United States the Puritanism history background.
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https://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/details/category/sims4-skintones/title/valuka-overlay-elder-female-skin-n1/id/1536030/

https://thesimsbook.com/sims-4-harry-skin-by-msqsims-at-tsr/

http://www.sims3updates.net/cas.php?genetics=1&skintones=1

https://sims3melancholic.tumblr.com/post/627263926784180224/download-ea-credits-obscurus-sims

https://www.patreon.com/posts/45458406?epik=dj0yJnU9VzhwWTYyX09vcThKbkJ2Zml3Tk1sZEZmV1JkekJ2UDgmcD0wJm49bVdJcmJjaW1BY19OMlczTm1kM0ZPZyZ0PUFBQUFBR0tKZ1Aw

https://maxismatchccworld.tumblr.com/post/185583784885/wrinkles-created-for-the-sims-4-by
https://sims4updates.net/skins/lovely-flaws-default-skintone-at-sims-4-diversity-project/

https://magalhaessims.tumblr.com/post/674657809832493056/chronos-skinblend-maxis-match-age-friendly-its https://modthesims.info/d/607604/automatic-sunburns-v10a.html

https://modthesims.info/d/490536/grow.html

https://modthesims.info/d/517293/age.html

[Ewa]

omfg , whats wrong with u? lol

[kjconlon94]

Originally posted by Ewa:

omfg , whats wrong with u? lol:medpills:

I was just going with Aturchomicz's request.

[Oldwildfire]

i mean if you're that dead set to have nudity in your game just mod it in also you'll be able to edit the textures if you dont like it :|

[kjconlon94]

Originally posted by Hugh Manatee:

As I have pondered my recent posts, I felt it was important to add something concerning what is considered proper parenting and what or what you shouldn't expose a child to in terms of the human form.

Personally speaking, I grew up in a home with parents who had no issues with nudity. What's remarkable about my childhood is, i grew up in the US, where violence appears more acceptable than nudity. There was NEVER any sexual molestation in our home, just free thinking and an attitude that one should never be ashamed of their naked form. Nothing more, nothing less. That said, my parents were originally European, and hippies, of sorts, which did influence their outlook.

As well, it appears to me, one's country of origin and religious beliefs play a huge role. Take Germany, for example. Nudity is not such a huge drama to the Germans and you'll find German families enjoying themselves at nude beaches across all of Europe. Also, countries like Sweden or Finland, that have a culture where saunas play a huge part of their lives, don't see the nude form as being something negative, or smutty. I've been to nude beaches in Spain, Italy, Greece, to name a few and not once did it give the impression of being pornographic or full of perverts.

it was suggested that to have such an attitude is naive and such a person should hopefully never have kids themselves. How dare anyone who says that to me, like I am a fool, or an immature idiot, without the insight to comprehend my opinion fully, rationally, and mostly with decency. Whether or not I have kids myself is not something I will reveal, or need to. Regardless of whether or not I am a parent is not the issue here. However, my outlook is and I believe my mindset is crystal clear. Don't shame me because you feel and see shame yourself.

Children learn by example. Insert shame, guilt, and smut and that is what they will see. Insert open, honest truth, with FACTS and your kids will see what is right and wrong.

My original (Why not have it officially optional for players on however they would like their paras to age since in sims there are those who prefer the vanilla unrealistic and then there are those who try to mod the vanilla unrealistic sims to be more realistic in appearance and aging even if it turned out that quite a bit of the download sites for the mods ended up making the mod downloading process virus unsafe and risky to use on official games. And even if Crusader Kings 3 legally got in trouble with Australia for even having the following (turning on and off being nudity being player optional choice) be considered too far by conservatives in Australia it still is something worth consideration.) and following comment (Originally posted by kjconlon94:
Ok yeah nah I dont believe this from my experience. One example of this please, just one Article, Peer-reviewed Study, Social Media post, real life mail, litearlly anyone besides you saying this in 2022 wtf??
I guess it was a desire by Australians to ban Crusader Kings 3 because of the nudity game play option. https://twinfinite.net/2020/09/an-aussies-quest-to-play-the-banned-crusader-kings-3/https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/update-on-australian-and-new-zealand-pre-orders-edit-september-7-2020.1412102/page-11https://www.kotaku.com.au/2021/08/a-look-back-at-some-of-the-games-australia-has-banned/https://www.gamerevolution.com/guides/658000-crusader-kings-3-nudity-age-rating-guidehttps://www.refused-classification.com/ And it is apparently similarly to United States the Puritanism history background.
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https://www.thesimsresource.com/downloads/details/category/sims4-skintones/title/valuka-overlay-elder-female-skin-n1/id/1536030/

https://thesimsbook.com/sims-4-harry-skin-by-msqsims-at-tsr/

http://www.sims3updates.net/cas.php?genetics=1&skintones=1

https://sims3melancholic.tumblr.com/post/627263926784180224/download-ea-credits-obscurus-sims

https://www.patreon.com/posts/45458406?epik=dj0yJnU9VzhwWTYyX09vcThKbkJ2Zml3Tk1sZEZmV1JkekJ2UDgmcD0wJm49bVdJcmJjaW1BY19OMlczTm1kM0ZPZyZ0PUFBQUFBR0tKZ1Aw

https://maxismatchccworld.tumblr.com/post/185583784885/wrinkles-created-for-the-sims-4-by
https://sims4updates.net/skins/lovely-flaws-default-skintone-at-sims-4-diversity-project/

https://magalhaessims.tumblr.com/post/674657809832493056/chronos-skinblend-maxis-match-age-friendly-itshttps://modthesims.info/d/607604/automatic-sunburns-v10a.html

https://modthesims.info/d/490536/grow.html

https://modthesims.info/d/517293/age.html) in that was meant gradual accumulation and advancing of Wrinkles, age spots, sagging, stretch marks, age spots, arthritis, osteoporosis, gradual age related cataracts, gradual age related loss of hearing, gradual development of dementia/Alzheimer's, gradual age related hair greying-whitening-silvering/hair thinning/hair reduction/hair loss work with in the various computer game characters individualized genetic inheritable/gradual acquisition (accumulation) gradual aging process.

[jenvanilla]

Hi all! Just a quick general reminder to please keep your messages SFW, or I’ll have to lock this discussion. I know there’s debate on whether nudity is SFW or not but ultimately the game is aiming for a PG-13 rating and will not be considering nudity at this time.

Also, please do not bash other people or other companies. Thank you!

This is around the third message we’ve had to post in this thread, if we need to post anymore reminders then we will be locking the thread.

[Syncroniam]

Originally posted by Pyoro-2:

I don't care about the graphics - they look fine to me - but it's disappointing to get this overly prudish, sanitized version of reality regarding content again.

Did I miss something? I haven't been following, what's prudish about this game? I'm genuinely lost. I can understand if they censor sex and stuff to get a lower rating and such like The Sims.

[Bilbo's Bath & Shire Gel]

Art-style looks great.
Less cartoony than the Sims imo.
Don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about nudity either, doesn't lend anything to the gameplay.

[Syncroniam]

Originally posted by Bilbo's Bath & Shire Gel:

Art-style looks great.
Less cartoony than the Sims imo.
Don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about nudity either, doesn't lend anything to the gameplay.

Yeah it looks 2.5d almost how the developers behind Guilty Gear does their animation/artstyle.