is Kaine

[mutantbeth]

Trans

[Катюша]

No.

[DelinQ]

Intersex. Born with a bit of both.

[Infected Shogun]

they're calling her inter-sexed now.

[Malogor]

A Hermaphrodite, not trans

[mutantbeth]

Originally posted by Snarfblatt:

It really makes me laugh that the alphabet soup community seems to consider her some sort of hero. Before her replicant was made or whatever, she was 100% woman with no extra parts. After her little . . . "transformation", she rejected the change that happened to her body and stubbornly clung to her womanhood. She is in no way a positive trans or intersex character. If anything the idea of not fully being female is portrayed as a bad thing.

doesnt that make her trans? female on the inside but not on the outside. btw ppl intersex can be trans too fyi

[♪ 𝐿𝒾𝓈𝒶 ♪]

Don't people have better things to do?
Like reading a good book or maybe being creative like drawing or writing something.

[MechBFP]

Originally posted by DelinQ:

Originally posted by Infected Shogun:

You always get those ignorant people throwing around words like "alphabet soup community" thinking they're badass.

They probably also like to call people incels or cucks.

Being brutally honest I think people like him more often than not fall into the "incel" and "cuck" categories.

I mean he did proudly admit on another thread that he enjoys loli porn, so... you know.

Steam needs a cringe award to give lol.

[MaenaZ]

Kaine's a bit 'above; what's considered intersex in terms of regular day to day real life people, which is why the Japanese version throws hermaphroditic terms around, but in English language, calling a person a 'hermaphrodite' simply no longer flies (I'm not here to argue if it's good or bad that it doesn't), so intersex is the closest approximation.

However, she faced bigotry based on her body vs her identity and took a firm stance against that bigotry when she became an adult, which is possibly why trans/LGBT community is interested in her. It's very relatable to them and that should not be disregarded.

I think she's a positive role model for such people, too. She's strong, but not 'dumb strong' the way some characters that were overinfluenced by modern waves of particular types of feminism can be. Her attitude about body image issues was to overcome them and blast through them with a loud 'F off' to the world and those that gave her such problems - bombastic and won't work for everyone, but plenty positive in my point of view. She's a well written character with sides and layers, and to be honest to me she's done a fair bit in terms of helping me empathize with sexual minorities (let's just say if I only stuck to my upbringing and family's values I would not have much of that).

However, if you're only going to listen to the absolute extreme activist groups, EVERYONE is going to have a problem with Kainé amongst such folks, especially with the new 'joke' achievement in the game.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by MutantBeth:

doesnt that make her trans? female on the inside but not on the outside. btw ppl intersex can be trans too fyi

But she IS female. She is 99% female, her body is female, her genetics are female, she thinks of herself as female.
She just has BOTH sets of genitals which is a genetic defect we call "intersex".
And in this game its even more complicated but thats a story spoiler.

Originally posted by MaenaZ:

However, if you're only going to listen to the absolute extreme activist groups, EVERYONE is going to have a problem with Kainé amongst such folks, especially with the new 'joke' achievement in the game.

Resetera has already a 15 page thread about it and started a petition to get " the problematic content removed".
Because Resetera.

[Minneyar]

Originally posted by Ogami:

But she IS female. She is 99% female, her body is female, her genetics are female, she thinks of herself as female.
She just has BOTH sets of genitals which is a genetic defect we call "intersex".
And in this game its even more complicated but thats a story spoiler.

You've literally just described what it means to be transgender. It's when your physical sex doesn't match your gender identity. The reason why doesn't actually matter. Kaine is a woman who is physically intersex, and hence, yes, she's trans.

[MaenaZ]

Originally posted by Minneyar:

You've literally just described what it means to be transgender. It's when your physical sex doesn't match your gender identity. The reason why doesn't actually matter. Kaine is a woman who is physically intersex, and hence, yes, she's trans.

The reason why there's more nuance here is that a transperson starts off set to experience physical aspects of themselves and puberty as a gender/sex incompatible with their image and gender identity, so they either 'transition' or 'are poised to transition'.
Kainé already has all the characteristics of a woman and one characteristic that 'doesn't fit'.

Is the discrimination Kainé experiences akin to transphobia? Yes, very (and arguably that's the point that matters in terms of empathizing and identification).

Is Kainé trans? Her circumstances are not *exactly* how it can happen in humans nor how it would happen in the 21st century, so my answer here would be 'you can see it either way'.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Minneyar:

Originally posted by Ogami:

But she IS female. She is 99% female, her body is female, her genetics are female, she thinks of herself as female.
She just has BOTH sets of genitals which is a genetic defect we call "intersex".
And in this game its even more complicated but thats a story spoiler.

You've literally just described what it means to be transgender. It's when your physical sex doesn't match your gender identity. The reason why doesn't actually matter. Kaine is a woman who is physically intersex, and hence, yes, she's trans.

No she is not. She never wanted to be another gender. She was born female, has all female first and secondary body parts and never was treated as anything other then female.
She was made fun off by other kids when she was younger for having another set of genitals, thats all.
Intersex is not trans, neither by medical nor any other definition of the term.

[mutantbeth]

Originally posted by Ogami:

Originally posted by Minneyar:

You've literally just described what it means to be transgender. It's when your physical sex doesn't match your gender identity. The reason why doesn't actually matter. Kaine is a woman who is physically intersex, and hence, yes, she's trans.

No she is not. She never wanted to be another gender. She was born female, has all female first and secondary body parts and never was treated as anything other then female.
She was made fun off by other kids when she was younger for having another set of genitals, thats all.
Intersex is not trans, neither by medical nor any other definition of the term.

intersex isnt trans but intersex ppl can be trans

[JediMindChicks]

Hermaphrodite. Which doesn't biologically exist within humans. A male shade infesting her body.

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I don't care what genitalia she has, I just want to kiss her on the lips