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I struggle to even call Maruki a villain, he's just an antagonist. He honestly believes what he's doing is right and manages to make you question your own beliefs and whether you truly are doing the right thing.
Both P4G and P5R offer you the option to take the side of the antagonist, but you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who goes with P4G's Accomplice ending other than to satisfy curiosity. P5R's ending where you side with Maruki is an ending that seems genuinely appealing to some, and that's the mark of a good antagonist in my eyes.
Adachi's the better villain by default, but Maruki is the better antagonist.
However in my personal opinion I actually think Adachi deserves a little more credit as an antagonist than most people give him credit for. Of course Maruki is by default a better antagonist than Adachi simply because he has better motivations than him to do what he did. But I stll appreciate Adachi not necessarily for who he is but what he represents.
Adachi's entire motivation is literally "I did it because I could, and I was bored," but something about him is more interesting in the long run.
Really, as said, both represent ideas so different that you really can't compare them. Adachi and Akechi would be a much more apt comparison.
That's an incredibly reductive way of looking at it, it seems you didn't get the point of Maruki's actions at all. You'll find that a lot of people will disagree with what you just wrote, they will tell you that it would be okay for all people to be happy and live out their dreams, even if it means surrendering control of your own life. There is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to be happy, some would say that's the whole point of living your life.
Maruki's action's are not twisted, they symbolizes that very side of the argument. He isn't doing anything that is clearly and morally wrong like Adachi killing people. Maruki is giving them happiness at a cost of ignorance. He believes it's okay to live your life in ignorance and surrender your control if it means you are going to live happy until the day you die. And he is giving those people legitimate happiness, it's not some weird wordplay. Those people are the happiest they have ever been because they are living out their dreams.
Phantom thieves on the other hand represent those people who value freedom and independence over everything else, even at the cost of their happiness or convenience. That's another side of the argument. They are also not inherently wrong for thinking it, and you can say that they are imposing their world view over all the other peoploe that are currently happy, just like Maruki is doing to the other side. They are guilty of EXACTLY the same things Maruki is guilty of. They even say that in the game... They acknowledge that Maruki isn't evil and that what he's doing is definitely something many people would prefer. But they cannot agree due to their own persona beliefs.
There is no objective good or bad in P5R. If ATLUS didn't plan this and wanted Maruki to be a villain, then they failed. They have created a situation where two ideologies clash, and you can even choose which one wins. you can get the ending where everybody is happy and lives how they always wanted. Or you can get the ending where everybody's lives go back to normal and they are in charge of their own fates, as bad as they may be.
Adachi fits perfectly into the plot and has an active role in the conflict.
That's true. P5R feels like a different game with it's plot. But it's not really a big deal, actually it's a welcome change of pace after you are done with the original one.
I got what he was trying to do. I felt the same way as Akechi did more or less. To me I felt it was more or less annoying. Also not everyone would agree with Maruki's form of happiness and sacrificing the way of living your own life. No what Maruki did was not wrong he intentions were indeed good. Also the Phantom Thieves said that there was something wrong with Maruki's form of happiness. Also what made Maruki like the horrible adults is that he took advantage of Sumire when he was trying to help her after losing her sister by making be ok for her to become her sister Kasumi to me that was just wrong because there is nothing wrong with being you who are and not someone else.
I disagree. I think that the difference between the Phantom Thieves and Maruki is that they targeted troubled individuals and interviened in their lives before they could do some real damage to others while Maruki essentially tried to be come God and enforce his will on others.
I agree with you to some extent. Maruki really feels like he was haphazardly slapped onto Persona 5 much like what happened with Marie in Persona 4. I do however feel like he fits into the themes of Persona 5 very well and I will say that I like him as a villain much more than I like the final boss of Persona 5 (I can't remember his name, so I just call him Yabadabadoo).
The way I see it Persona 5 is (especially towards the end) about rejecting false gods (gods with a little g; that's important). The difference between a little g god and a big g God is that a little g god is just a powerful being (Zeus and Thor) while a big G God has unlimited power (Allah or the Christian God). All of the palace rulers are, in a way, little g gods. They all hold positions of power and abuse that power for their own enrichment. The greatest of them is Yabadabadoo, who is a little g god who is so powerful that he thinks that he is a big g God. I think that Maruki works as a villain for Persona 5, becuase he fits this theme really well. I'd even say that he is a better villain than Yabadabadoo, becuase he actually gives you a reason why he, a little g god, should become a big g God. He actually wants to 'help' people instead of just blowing them all up or whatever the ♥♥♥♥ Yabadabadoo wanted.
Adachi also works really well with Persona 4's themes, he just doesn't have to work against being slapped into the story after the fact.
It isn't right that he did that, but it's not necessarily wrong either. In Sumire's case she is a little different from the rest of the cast. Unlike everyone else, whether you like it or not, she actually benefited from Maruki's reality. Sumire said so herself that if she hadn't lived as Kasumi for as long as she did then she never would have been able to accept herself as Sumire. Maruki did not take advantage of her, he only granted Sumire's wish so she could be happy just like everyone else. And in the end it eventually helped her overcome he survivors guilt. So in a way, Maruki's treatment did help her to an extent, It only would have been problematic if she stayed that way. It goes to show you that Maruki is completely different from the rest of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you steal the hearts of cause he really cares about everybody and wants them to be happy.
Yeah I go with the joker wannabe, shadow clone drama and daddy issues aren't my thing.
Some people just want to see the world burn.