Major Spoilers For Persona 3, 4, and 5.

[BibleBot123]

Who is the best "betrayer"?

[mdesaleah]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Scorpix:

Akechi is not important side character? Have you really played Persona 5?

Everything started, because Akechi has met Shido. Nothing would happen without Akechi. Shido knew about cognitive psience and Wakaba's studies, but even if he would stole those documents, they would be almost useless, but Akechi has changed everything. With him Shido was able to get popularity little by little while Akechi was doing his job as a killer and contact with shadows (Kaneshiro or Madarame) in cognitive world.

Akechi's backstory is also very interesting and if you will sit a while you will find why he is behaving like that and even more. In Persona 5 Royal it is done not a bit better, but much better.

Also you dont understand a theme of bosses. All of the bosses represents one of the deadly sins, Kamoshida - lust, Madarame - Vanity etc. , while Shido represents Pride.
He is just a kind of people who acts like this, because he can.

Saying Shido is defined by Pride doesn’t excuse how horribly he is written. A character can have a defining trait while still being an actual character.

The other bosses have an excuse for not getting focus since the Thieves become more about popularity over time. Shido should have been the exception where you get to learn about him while at the same time winning.

Instead the game tries to say “Shido was behind every other villain” which is a major cop out and ends up harming the themes of the game

[fender178]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από mdesaleah:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από fender178:

Wrong again I thought about 5 and so did the others who responded to your nonsense.
Again how would Shido enter the Metaverse and deal with Haru's dad without possessing the power of Persona? It is you that isn't thinking. Shido needed someone who actually capable of accessing the Metaverse who also understands it besides the Phantom Thieves. So again you are again wrong that Shido couldn't do everything himself since he lacked the ability of being able to go to the metaverse.

You’re thinking too narrowly.

The big problem with 5 is that Shido has no character, and Akechi’s character only exists to hide that. A good villain would be a combination of Akechi and Shido. Someone who was screwed up in the past and wants to control the direction of Japan but ends up becoming an extreme villain. Giving Shido Akechi’s backstory and Persona powers while rewriting the story would make a much better endgame

Again you are wrong. Shido does have a character. He is a person who has done a lot of crappy things to other people even before he met Akechi which involved making Joker of a criminal record because of his BS and lies. Also combining him and Akechi would never work because how would he investigate the Phantom Thieves when he himself is too old to interact with highschool kids and it would have looked weird if they had him doing that. That is why having Akechi as a character makes sense because even though Akechi is some sort of special being they made him look the same age range as the Phantom Thieves. Also Shido and Akechi were a team of sorts which helped them both.

[Cheezystix]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από mdesaleah:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από fender178:

Wrong again I thought about 5 and so did the others who responded to your nonsense.
Again how would Shido enter the Metaverse and deal with Haru's dad without possessing the power of Persona? It is you that isn't thinking. Shido needed someone who actually capable of accessing the Metaverse who also understands it besides the Phantom Thieves. So again you are again wrong that Shido couldn't do everything himself since he lacked the ability of being able to go to the metaverse.

You’re thinking too narrowly.

The big problem with 5 is that Shido has no character, and Akechi’s character only exists to hide that. A good villain would be a combination of Akechi and Shido. Someone who was screwed up in the past and wants to control the direction of Japan but ends up becoming an extreme villain. Giving Shido Akechi’s backstory and Persona powers while rewriting the story would make a much better endgame

Again, I think your mixing up how his character is treated with how his character actually effects the plot. It's perfectly fine if you don't like Akechi as a character (Honestly I didn't even have an opinion of him until I played Royal) but even if his character itself wasn't handled well he still absolutely had an effect on the plot. What we are telling you your wrong about isn't that Akechi's a bad character, It's that he did in fact effect the plot. Whether or not he's a good villain is another argument entirely.

[fender178]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Cheezystix:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από mdesaleah:

You’re thinking too narrowly.

The big problem with 5 is that Shido has no character, and Akechi’s character only exists to hide that. A good villain would be a combination of Akechi and Shido. Someone who was screwed up in the past and wants to control the direction of Japan but ends up becoming an extreme villain. Giving Shido Akechi’s backstory and Persona powers while rewriting the story would make a much better endgame

Again, I think your mixing up how his character is treated with how his character actually effects the plot. It's perfectly fine if you don't like Akechi as a character (Honestly I didn't even have an opinion of him until I played Royal) but even if his character itself wasn't handled well he still absolutely had an effect on the plot. What we are telling you your wrong about isn't that Akechi's a bad character, It's that he did in fact effect the plot. Whether or not he's a good villain is another argument entirely.

Yeah I am convinced that mdesaleah has never played P5 with all this nonsense that is spewing.

[mdesaleah]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από fender178:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Cheezystix:

Again, I think your mixing up how his character is treated with how his character actually effects the plot. It's perfectly fine if you don't like Akechi as a character (Honestly I didn't even have an opinion of him until I played Royal) but even if his character itself wasn't handled well he still absolutely had an effect on the plot. What we are telling you your wrong about isn't that Akechi's a bad character, It's that he did in fact effect the plot. Whether or not he's a good villain is another argument entirely.

Yeah I am convinced that mdesaleah has never played P5 with all this nonsense that is spewing.

If you say so :3

[mdesaleah]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Cheezystix:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από mdesaleah:

You’re thinking too narrowly.

The big problem with 5 is that Shido has no character, and Akechi’s character only exists to hide that. A good villain would be a combination of Akechi and Shido. Someone who was screwed up in the past and wants to control the direction of Japan but ends up becoming an extreme villain. Giving Shido Akechi’s backstory and Persona powers while rewriting the story would make a much better endgame

Again, I think your mixing up how his character is treated with how his character actually effects the plot. It's perfectly fine if you don't like Akechi as a character (Honestly I didn't even have an opinion of him until I played Royal) but even if his character itself wasn't handled well he still absolutely had an effect on the plot. What we are telling you your wrong about isn't that Akechi's a bad character, It's that he did in fact effect the plot. Whether or not he's a good villain is another argument entirely.

I guess it’s more of a “Too much telling and not enough showing” problem with Akechi.

Shido is where the big problem is. The person above you could only describe Shido as “a bad person”. And that’s literally the only character he has. He’s bad, he manipulates, he probably kicks puppies when no one is looking xD

[Cheezystix]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από mdesaleah:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Cheezystix:

Again, I think your mixing up how his character is treated with how his character actually effects the plot. It's perfectly fine if you don't like Akechi as a character (Honestly I didn't even have an opinion of him until I played Royal) but even if his character itself wasn't handled well he still absolutely had an effect on the plot. What we are telling you your wrong about isn't that Akechi's a bad character, It's that he did in fact effect the plot. Whether or not he's a good villain is another argument entirely.

I guess it’s more of a “Too much telling and not enough showing” problem with Akechi.

Shido is where the big problem is. The person above you could only describe Shido as “a bad person”. And that’s literally the only character he has. He’s bad, he manipulates, he probably kicks puppies when no one is looking xD

That's honestly just a major problem with P5 in general. Most of their villains aren't expanded upon at all. The only part of their character we get to see is their shadows which obviously is going to paint them in a bad light. The only ones we get a little bit of side context for are Kamoshida, Sae, and Futaba (Even tho Futaba's doesn't really count). Personally I think they all served their purpose as one off villains well enough but I could definitely see why someone wouldn't like them.
Only one I disagree on is Akechi cause he was more of a long running villain and Royal really expanded upon his character but I think we already know your thoughts on him :P

[mdesaleah]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Cheezystix:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από mdesaleah:

I guess it’s more of a “Too much telling and not enough showing” problem with Akechi.

Shido is where the big problem is. The person above you could only describe Shido as “a bad person”. And that’s literally the only character he has. He’s bad, he manipulates, he probably kicks puppies when no one is looking xD

That's honestly just a major problem with P5 in general. Most of their villains aren't expanded upon at all. The only part of their character we get to see is their shadows which obviously is going to paint them in a bad light. The only ones we get a little bit of side context for are Kamoshida, Sae, and Futaba (Even tho Futaba's doesn't really count). Personally I think they all served their purpose as one off villains well enough but I could definitely see why someone wouldn't like them.
Only one I disagree on is Akechi cause he was more of a long running villain and Royal really expanded upon his character but I think we already know your thoughts on him :P

Akechi is probably the most entertaining character in the game. They just don’t show him act enough. It’s all tell and no show.

Okumura not having any stakes is the whole point since he was mostly chased over by popularity, the rest of the villains don’t have that excuse

[Cheezystix]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από mdesaleah:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Cheezystix:

That's honestly just a major problem with P5 in general. Most of their villains aren't expanded upon at all. The only part of their character we get to see is their shadows which obviously is going to paint them in a bad light. The only ones we get a little bit of side context for are Kamoshida, Sae, and Futaba (Even tho Futaba's doesn't really count). Personally I think they all served their purpose as one off villains well enough but I could definitely see why someone wouldn't like them.
Only one I disagree on is Akechi cause he was more of a long running villain and Royal really expanded upon his character but I think we already know your thoughts on him :P

Akechi is probably the most entertaining character in the game. They just don’t show him act enough. It’s all tell and no show.

Okumura not having any stakes is the whole point since he was mostly chased over by popularity, the rest of the villains don’t have that excuse

That's a fair argument. I didn't really mind that cause with a big game like this their is only so much that they can show you without it getting tedious but again to each his own.
All I really wanted to do was let you know that Akechi did have an impact on the plot. How you feel about him as a character/villain is completely up to you XD