Izanagi-no-Okami is kinda underwhelming.

[Sixtyfivekills]

Whoa, what's this? There's a trophy that requires you to unlock this specific Persona? Its gonna be great, right!?


Well not really, because you won't be able to register it or add any cards to it, meaning in each NG+ you'll have to level it up and max its stats all over again, and you won't even have the strongest abilities. Can't really complain about its required Personas for fusion, its relatively easy, but I still feel like it should've been much more.

[DaBa]

Every persona looks underwhelming after you get your hands on Yoshitsune. (LOL nice censorship there steam, good job).

But yeah, the ultimate personas are all kinda meh, it has always been a thing. Funny though because in P5R, Izanagi-no-Okami is busted AF. I guess Yu couldn't harvest it's true potential

[Cheezystix]

I never even bothered to fuse it cause its too much of a pain to get all of the materials for it and it doesn't even save in the compendium so you have to fuse it AGAIN every time you start a new game.
Plenty of other personas that you could get that are waaay better for much cheaper.

Originally posted by DaBa:

Every persona looks underwhelming after you get your hands on Yoshitsune. (LOL nice censorship there steam, good job).

Speaking of Yoshitsune, why do you think he is constantly the best persona to fuse? It feels like every game he's overpowered.

[FhqwhTODD]

Originally posted by Cheezystix:

Speaking of Yoshitsune, why do you think he is constantly the best persona to fuse? It feels like every game he's overpowered.

Yoshi isn't OP in every game he's in. He is OP when he gets Hassou Tobi. 8 attacks per turn on every enemy is way overboard.

In SMT 4 he is easily beat by Uriel in that regard. But Uriel is of course DLC only.

[Cheezystix]

Originally posted by Fhqwhgod:

Originally posted by Cheezystix:

Speaking of Yoshitsune, why do you think he is constantly the best persona to fuse? It feels like every game he's overpowered.

Yoshi isn't OP in every game he's in. He is OP when he gets Hassou Tobi. 8 attacks per turn on every enemy is way overboard.

That's true, I forget it's not so much for his stats that it is that one move. It just feels like he is cause everyone always talks about fusing him.

[DaBa]

Originally posted by Cheezystix:

I never even bothered to fuse it cause its too much of a pain to get all of the materials for it and it doesn't even save in the compendium so you have to fuse it AGAIN every time you start a new game.
Plenty of other personas that you could get that are waaay better for much cheaper.

Originally posted by DaBa:

Every persona looks underwhelming after you get your hands on Yoshitsune. (LOL nice censorship there steam, good job).

Speaking of Yoshitsune, why do you think he is constantly the best persona to fuse? It feels like every game he's overpowered.

He has, by far, the strongest attack in the game, that is also an AOE, and cost only HP to use. That's almost the whole reason behind it. There are also a few bonuses: he's also just a strong persona as a base with a lot of natural immunities and useful skills, he's also not that difficult to fuse considering how broken it is. He should be the hardest persona to fuse in the game.

And yeah, as the other guys said, that's only Persona games, so 4 and 5. I don't know about other SMT games as I haven't seen him in those yet. But in Persona, he's positively the strongest persona. He is rivaled only by Izanagi-no-Okami Picaro or Kaguya from P5R but only with correct builds (both are DLC personas too), but I am not sure if they are stronger and by how much even with absolutely perfect skills. And that's another rub, you need absolutely perfect skillset for those two to even get close to Yoshi, which requires a lot of fusing. Meanwhile he gets everything he needs to deal insane damage from his default skillset, power charge and hassou tobi. Literally no effort required on your part during fusion. He's a beast out of the box.

[Cheezystix]

Originally posted by DaBa:

He has, by far, the strongest attack in the game, that is also an AOE, and cost only HP to use. That's almost the whole reason behind it. There are also a few bonuses: he's also just a strong persona as a base with a lot of natural immunities and useful skills, he's also not that difficult to fuse considering how broken it is. He should be the hardest persona to fuse in the game.

And yeah, as the other guys said, that's only Persona games, so 4 and 5. I don't know about other SMT games as I haven't seen him in those yet. But in Persona, he's positively the strongest persona. He is rivaled only by Izanagi-no-Okami Picaro or Kaguya from P5R but only with correct builds (both are DLC personas too), but I am not sure if they are stronger and by how much even with absolutely perfect skills. And that's another rub, you need absolutely perfect skillset for those two to even get close to Yoshi, which requires a lot of fusing. Meanwhile he gets everything he needs to deal insane damage from his default skillset, power charge and hassou tobi. Literally no effort required on your part during fusion. He's a beast out of the box.

I always though part of the reason for him being so strong could be because of his legend as a war hero. Maybe someone on the dev team really liked Yosh*tsune's legend and wanted to incorporate the feeling of his strength to the player by giving him a busted move?
Either way I don't think it's a coincidence they gave him such a strong move, they must have known what kinda monster they created.

[DaBa]

Originally posted by Cheezystix:

Originally posted by DaBa:

He has, by far, the strongest attack in the game, that is also an AOE, and cost only HP to use. That's almost the whole reason behind it. There are also a few bonuses: he's also just a strong persona as a base with a lot of natural immunities and useful skills, he's also not that difficult to fuse considering how broken it is. He should be the hardest persona to fuse in the game.

And yeah, as the other guys said, that's only Persona games, so 4 and 5. I don't know about other SMT games as I haven't seen him in those yet. But in Persona, he's positively the strongest persona. He is rivaled only by Izanagi-no-Okami Picaro or Kaguya from P5R but only with correct builds (both are DLC personas too), but I am not sure if they are stronger and by how much even with absolutely perfect skills. And that's another rub, you need absolutely perfect skillset for those two to even get close to Yoshi, which requires a lot of fusing. Meanwhile he gets everything he needs to deal insane damage from his default skillset, power charge and hassou tobi. Literally no effort required on your part during fusion. He's a beast out of the box.

I always though part of the reason for him being so strong could be because of his legend as a war hero. Maybe someone on the dev team really liked Yosh*tsune's legend and wanted to incorporate the feeling of his strength to the player by giving him a busted move?
Either way I don't think it's a coincidence they gave him such a strong move, they must have known what kinda monster they created.

Oh you meant from that perspective. I thought that you asked what mechanics make him so strong.

In that case, yeah I think you are on the right track. They definitely didn't make him a physical powerhouse just by accident, he is a legendary warrior after all. But from the balance perspective, I don't think there's any logical justification why he is so overpowered when compared to even the final persona available only in new game +. In future games, he definitely deserves to be tuned down. Can't really get rid of the iconic attack though.

[Ozymandias]

If only INO was as powerful as he is in Persona 5. No reason to fuse him other than to get that one achievement; even ignoring Yoshitsune, you're better off with guys like Trumpeter, Helel or Alice.