Steamy Bathhouse - Dancing Hand

[Shinigami Miroku]

I'm trying to find this particular Shadow, but it doesn't seem to be spawning at all. I'm on 6/25, which means it's raining (storming, to be precise, not that that really changes anything), and according to the MegaTen Wiki (which covers all games in the Megami Tensei super-franchise) it shows up on floors 5-8. I've been scouring those floors but this Shadow is not appearing at all. Did something takes its spawning place, or am I just unlucky (or does it get summoned by another Shadow)?

[MUSA]

Try to return to entrance and go back to the same Dungeon and Floor.

[SuperROBO-1]

You're just very unlucky. I had the same experience.

[Shinigami Miroku]

Originally posted by FAZA_R:

Try to return to entrance and go back to the same Dungeon and Floor.

I've done that more than a few times now (to put it into context, the MC is level 40 and the rest of the team is about 35-38 due to all of the unintentional grinding, and I haven't touched Marukyu yet). At this rate I'm gonna need to stop running into enemies altogether just so I don't end up super-OP (since that will lock me out of Hardcore Risette Fan).

Originally posted by SuperROBO-1:

You're just very unlucky. I had the same experience.

Oof... ngl, this is actually pretty rough on me. I don't remember having this hard a time in vanilla P4 or the Vita version. Sorry it happened to you too...

[zetSuBou-Billy]

It was super rare for me too, like 1 in a half hour. And the worst part is, the drops are not guaranteed, so I was like, f this

[Shinigami Miroku]

Originally posted by zetSuBou-Billy:

It was super rare for me too, like 1 in a half hour. And the worst part is, the drops are not guaranteed, so I was like, f this

Normally I would be too, but I gotta do all the quests... Part of the completionist process, y'know?

EDIT: Finally ran into one on floor 7, and of course its item didn't drop. =_=

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

Yeah, it's just rare, and annoying to find.

[Shinigami Miroku]

Originally posted by CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate:

Yeah, it's just rare, and annoying to find.

I seem to find it mostly on floor 7, so I'm gonna concentrate my hunting there. I also have a theory in regards to the drops themselves, but I need to do more testing. Basically, whatever enemy you kill last, has the highest chance of dropping their item. Again, need more testing...

EDIT: Okay, so they do show up most often on floor 7, and my hypothesis regarding kill order does seem to be panning out. I'll definitely need to make sure I take that into account going forward. Probably still needs more testing, though.

[1337Walrus]

I forgot if it's for a quest, but the game's final day is rainy and you'll be super OP by then so you can just go back and grind it then. You can probably realistically do it by Void Quest though.

[Nito]

Isn't dancing hand normal mob ? you mostly need the right floor....

[Vulgrim]

I got them on floor 7 and 8! I just ran from 8th floor to 5th and back. Took around an hour. Idk if this changes anything but i'd kill the hand first because i've killed the other shadows before the hand and always got max loot and not the thick hides. I was getting them in groups of 2 and only 1 once. I also got 2 and got stuck with a shuffle card no loot...

[XiaoXun]

You'll find it mostly in floor 5-8, just keep running back and forth. I got all the thick hides in an hour.

[1A Gaming]

Originally posted by FAZA_R:

At this rate I'm gonna need to stop running into enemies altogether just so I don't end up super-OP (since that will lock me out of Hardcore Risette Fan).

Why would you be unable to get HRF?

[Perquisitore]

Originally posted by Joe Beezy:

Originally posted by FAZA_R:

At this rate I'm gonna need to stop running into enemies altogether just so I don't end up super-OP (since that will lock me out of Hardcore Risette Fan).

Why would you be unable to get HRF?

I guess they mean if you kill mobs too quickly you have a lower chance of getting some lines.

[Hymnos]

Originally posted by Nito:

Isn't dancing hand normal mob ? you mostly need the right floor....

nope it's a rare mob took me a hours to make them respawn, they usually appear with others shadow as support role.

[Shinigami Miroku]

Originally posted by Perquisitore:

Originally posted by Joe Beezy:

Why would you be unable to get HRF?

I guess they mean if you kill mobs too quickly you have a lower chance of getting some lines.

That basically sums it up. Just like Teddie, Rise has different lines depending on if the Shadows you encounter are stronger or weaker than your level, or at your level. Other lines depend on the number of Shadows, how many you knock down at a time, and so on. Not having access to the lines regarding stronger Shadows makes it less likely to get the HRF trophy.