Why did they make the social stats and social links completely luck based

[Magically Inclined Dunmer]

Compared to Persona 3 which had static values when training your stats, always going to give you the same amount of points, you don't need to rely on luck in order to do all social links, just need strategy or a guide.

But with persona 4 and 5, everything is completely random and luck based, social stats being luck based make it so you can be late on doing a social link which will be behind if you don't have anything else to do, but that's tolerable. What isn't tolerable is the correct answers not always giving a static value of affection points, making it possible to get so behind if you get unlucky, you straight up can't even do all social links anymore and no guide can save you.

Why did they do this? It seems like an obvious downgrade from persona 3's systems.

[Stormy Dawn]

I have no idea what you are referring to.

The only significant RNG on your stats is Aiya's Mega Beef Bowl Challenge, which is admittedly really save scummy and annoying. Other than that you will run into it a few times early in the game to get the +2 Knowledge modifier from studying rather than the +1, which Persona 3 also had.

Other than that, I'm not sure what you are getting at. The affection points you get are fixed and never change. The Social Link guides out there are in fact 100% possible and you can max out all Social Links in one play through with overall little save scumming required.

You just have to pay attention and make sure you have the necessary Persona(s) on you at all times. That is where people mess up 99% of the time. It's always best to look ahead and make sure you have the correct Persona a few days in advance because there are a handful of points in the game where you can't readily get to the Velvet Room to get your necessary Persona.

[Magically Inclined Dunmer]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

I have no idea what you are referring to.

The only significant RNG on your stats is Aiya's Mega Beef Bowl Challenge, which is admittedly really save scummy and annoying. Other than that you will run into it a few times early in the game to get the +2 Knowledge modifier from studying rather than the +1, which Persona 3 also had.

Other than that, I'm not sure what you are getting at. The affection points you get are fixed and never change. The Social Link guides out there are in fact 100% possible and you can max out all Social Links in one play through with overall little save scumming required.

You just have to pay attention and make sure you have the necessary Persona(s) on you at all times. That is where people mess up 99% of the time. It's always best to look ahead and make sure you have the correct Persona a few days in advance because there are a handful of points in the game where you can't readily get to the Velvet Room to get your necessary Persona.

The affection points aren't fixed though, you can do everything perfectly, having the correct persona, be following a guide or whatever and you just straight up won't be able to advance when others can due to variation of the points, which is extremely annoying and can lock you out of content for what, the ability to experience some new content when you replay it?

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by Magically Inclined Dunmer:

The affection points aren't fixed though, you can do everything perfectly, having the correct persona, be following a guide or whatever and you just straight up won't be able to advance when others can due to variation of the points, which is extremely annoying and can lock you out of content for what, the ability to experience some new content when you replay it?

You are doing something wrong then because that's just not true.

[paper_Cat]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

I have no idea what you are referring to.

The only significant RNG on your stats is Aiya's Mega Beef Bowl Challenge, which is admittedly really save scummy and annoying. Other than that you will run into it a few times early in the game to get the +2 Knowledge modifier from studying rather than the +1, which Persona 3 also had.

Other than that, I'm not sure what you are getting at. The affection points you get are fixed and never change. The Social Link guides out there are in fact 100% possible and you can max out all Social Links in one play through with overall little save scumming required.

You just have to pay attention and make sure you have the necessary Persona(s) on you at all times. That is where people mess up 99% of the time. It's always best to look ahead and make sure you have the correct Persona a few days in advance because there are a handful of points in the game where you can't readily get to the Velvet Room to get your necessary Persona.

you can get up to +3 from studying .

[Magically Inclined Dunmer]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Originally posted by Magically Inclined Dunmer:

The affection points aren't fixed though, you can do everything perfectly, having the correct persona, be following a guide or whatever and you just straight up won't be able to advance when others can due to variation of the points, which is extremely annoying and can lock you out of content for what, the ability to experience some new content when you replay it?

You are doing something wrong then because that's just not true.

Its true within persona 4, and persona 5, hence why i'm wondering why they decided to do it.

[Magically Inclined Dunmer]

Originally posted by paper_Cat:

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

I have no idea what you are referring to.

The only significant RNG on your stats is Aiya's Mega Beef Bowl Challenge, which is admittedly really save scummy and annoying. Other than that you will run into it a few times early in the game to get the +2 Knowledge modifier from studying rather than the +1, which Persona 3 also had.

Other than that, I'm not sure what you are getting at. The affection points you get are fixed and never change. The Social Link guides out there are in fact 100% possible and you can max out all Social Links in one play through with overall little save scumming required.

You just have to pay attention and make sure you have the necessary Persona(s) on you at all times. That is where people mess up 99% of the time. It's always best to look ahead and make sure you have the correct Persona a few days in advance because there are a handful of points in the game where you can't readily get to the Velvet Room to get your necessary Persona.

you can get up to +3 from studying .

yep very good book

[Bisquetz]

The only random things are:

1. stat distributed during Mega Bowl challenge.
2. chances for stat bonus during studying
3. chances for doing better when you push yourself during part time jobs, which increases as you level your corresponding stats i.e. Expression for Translation.

The rest aren't RNG, especially affection points which afaik are quite static. idk what you're talking about.

[Stormy Dawn]

Originally posted by paper_Cat:

you can get up to +3 from studying .

That's only once you modify stat gains with books. The point is, it's one of the only RNG based modifiers in the game.

Originally posted by Magically Inclined Dunmer:

Its true within persona 4, and persona 5, hence why i'm wondering why they decided to do it.

I don't know what to tell you. It's not the case at all. Affection points are always static. Period.

[DaBa]

OP, you must be horribly confused. There is no RNG involved with social links.

[Magically Inclined Dunmer]

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[paper_Cat]

Originally posted by Tsurayu:

Originally posted by paper_Cat:

you can get up to +3 from studying .

That's only once you modify stat gains with books. The point is, it's one of the only RNG based modifiers in the game.

Originally posted by Magically Inclined Dunmer:

Its true within persona 4, and persona 5, hence why i'm wondering why they decided to do it.

I don't know what to tell you. It's not the case at all. Affection points are always static. Period.

study get you +1 ,book get you another +1 ,bonus(which is rng) +1

[DaBa]

Originally posted by Magically Inclined Dunmer:

redditors found the thread, unsubscribing, enjoy talking among yourselves.

That is the dumbest excuse I have ever seen for not having any arguments and refusing to accept you're wrong...

[RiSEn]

Originally posted by DaBa:

Originally posted by Magically Inclined Dunmer:

redditors found the thread, unsubscribing, enjoy talking among yourselves.

That is the dumbest excuse I have ever seen for not having any arguments and refusing to accept you're wrong...

LUL for real wtf. It's ok to be wrong it's a game tons of people are playing for the first time hence people are just trying to help out.

[Dreagon]

Originally posted by Magically Inclined Dunmer:

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Someone is a sore loser.

[Emerald Lance]

Originally posted by Dreagon:

Originally posted by Magically Inclined Dunmer:

redditors found the thread, unsubscribing, enjoy talking among yourselves.

Someone is a sore loser.

Bail, bail! Backpedal! RUN AWAY!