Is it Possible to Beat Contrarian King on Hard?

[1A Gaming]

I'm at Yukiko's Castle for the third time (twice to rescue Yuki and now back to train her) and I just got to the optional boss Contrarian King.

Well, he's killing anyone and everyone in one hit. I'm using lvl 17 Jack Frost with 13 End. King likes to BS by using Red Wall but he absorbs Fire so it's a bluff (found that out instantly first fight).

Hysterical Slap kills anyone except me cuz Jack's too tough, but it leaves me with like 20 HP. If he uses Rampage, and he will, he drastically overkills everyone, doing like 700 damage to people with a Diamond Shield in use (Defense up). That really seems like some End-Game damage right there... I mean I don't think even the Reaper has ever hit me for that in P3P or P4.

Is there some specific trick? Like a specific sequence in which I need to do certain things? Or is it just a troll from Atlus and they are just forcing people to put it on Normal or Easy to get past him? I'm attempting a full play on Hard, but with damage that unimaginable, I don't see that happening at all. At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see him bust out Megidolaon on me.

[ex_beat]

He is like level 25. You can beat him with big luck (sukunda him, sukukaja mc and pray) but yeah, this boss is anything but reasonable. You won't lose anything by beating him later though

[1A Gaming]

Originally posted by ex_beat:

He is like level 25. You can beat him with big luck (sukunda him, sukukaja mc and pray) but yeah, this boss is anything but reasonable. You won't lose anything by beating him later though

Sukunda, Sukukaja, Prayers.... those are my current tactics. :p

Level 25 huh... so they expect me to have grinded for like 6 hours I guess. Being level 10 at the Yukiko fight was enough to win cuz I made Valkyrie with Bufu. Then they have Chie call me on the phone telling me to go to the TV to train Yukiko, immediately Teddy tells me there's a shadow I should beat, and he's like 4 times stronger than Yukiko?

So yeah, I guess it's a troll thing then. That does not give me hope for the future of this playthrough. They certainly amped the difficulty on this game a ton on Vita. Sheesh...

I should maybe have just not decided to play on Hard first, like I normally do. Starting to look like a bad idea.

[Oragepoilu]

MC > Tarunda, Sukunda, and healing himself or revive (or attack if full). rotate this way.
Grab some revival item since it's likely some people die if you try this early.
Fuse a persona to get physical resist as a skill or native.
Buffing yourself won't get you anywhere since you might still die anyway and waste the duration of the buff. Focus on dealing dmg and revive as needed.



I did it on very hard at lv30 with persona around lv20, and it was really easy. Didn't used any item or buff or anything, it doesn't have much hp (probably around 1500 or so). I'm not even sure if I had to heal once honestly, or if he did hit me once. You might want to grind in the next dungeon a bit more before you grab the courage bonus.

edit : Wait, I think he reduced my defense and I remove this debuff once though. Aint too sure.

[sega dreamcast]

There is a way to cheese him, spam phys mirrors and use Rakunda on him, whenever he uses Rampage you can watch him kill himself from up to 75% health. And I'm pretty sure Hard and Very Hard incentivizes less grind because of the reduced XP and Money, you can beat most bosses in harder difficulty with good strategies.

[1A Gaming]

Originally posted by Raidou Coochienoha:

There is a way to cheese him, spam phys mirrors and use Rakunda on him, whenever he uses Rampage you can watch him kill himself from up to 75% health. And I'm pretty sure Hard and Very Hard incentivizes less grind because of the reduced XP and Money, you can beat most bosses in harder difficulty with good strategies.

Reduced XP and money?

Also I don't have Physical Mirrors or I'd be all over that.

[sega dreamcast]

Originally posted by Joe Beezy:

Originally posted by Raidou Coochienoha:

There is a way to cheese him, spam phys mirrors and use Rakunda on him, whenever he uses Rampage you can watch him kill himself from up to 75% health. And I'm pretty sure Hard and Very Hard incentivizes less grind because of the reduced XP and Money, you can beat most bosses in harder difficulty with good strategies.

Reduced XP and money?

Also I don't have Physical Mirrors or I'd be all over that.

Small correction, only Very Hard has reduced XP and Money, my bad. Hard only makes you take more damage and deal less. As for Phys Mirrors you can find them in chests in the Yukiko dungeon.

[1A Gaming]

Originally posted by Raidou Coochienoha:

Originally posted by Joe Beezy:

Reduced XP and money?

Also I don't have Physical Mirrors or I'd be all over that.

Small correction, only Very Hard has reduced XP and Money, my bad. Hard only makes you take more damage and deal less. As for Phys Mirrors you can find them in chests in the Yukiko dungeon.

Ah. Must be in floor-7 chests maybe. I been avoiding chests ever since I learned chests spawn the Reaper.

[sega dreamcast]

Originally posted by Joe Beezy:

Originally posted by Raidou Coochienoha:

Small correction, only Very Hard has reduced XP and Money, my bad. Hard only makes you take more damage and deal less. As for Phys Mirrors you can find them in chests in the Yukiko dungeon.

Ah. Must be in floor-7 chests maybe. I been avoiding chests ever since I learned chests spawn the Reaper.

The game warns you if you are about to open a chest with Reaper in it, so don't worry.

[1A Gaming]

Originally posted by Raidou Coochienoha:

Originally posted by Joe Beezy:

Ah. Must be in floor-7 chests maybe. I been avoiding chests ever since I learned chests spawn the Reaper.

The game warns you if you are about to open a chest with Reaper in it, so don't worry.

.... it does??

[sega dreamcast]

Originally posted by Joe Beezy:

Originally posted by Raidou Coochienoha:

The game warns you if you are about to open a chest with Reaper in it, so don't worry.

.... it does??

IIRC it warns you twice.

[1A Gaming]

Originally posted by Raidou Coochienoha:

Originally posted by Joe Beezy:

.... it does??

IIRC it warns you twice.

I've never seen it happen. He shows up all the time...

[sega dreamcast]

Originally posted by Joe Beezy:

Originally posted by Raidou Coochienoha:

IIRC it warns you twice.

I've never seen it happen. He shows up all the time...

You'll hear the chains which indicates the reaper has a chance of being in a chest, when you find the chest with reaper in it, the game will warn you twice when you try opening said chest.

[ウィッチ（？）]

25% to spawn when rattling sound is happening and it goes away when you move to next floor.
Also Teddy/Rise will warn you when chest with reaper is in (they will say 'Don't Open!') so you will have plenty of warning if you happen to find one.
Oh and reaper will never spawn from locked chest so they are safe to open anytime (if you have key that is..).

[1A Gaming]

I've only ever heard those chains after I've opened a chest, and he has spawned when I've opened a locked chest as well. I was wondering if he cared about locked chests, and sure enough, I heard those damn chains right after I got a Gentlemen's Tux from a locked chest, so I booked it to the next floor. Also no warning of any kind has ever happened.

About those physical mirrors - Are those only in locked chests? I can't keep up on all the keys I need for those. There are certainly a lot of chests in this game...

[The Guy]

He is possible to beat but you really have to set up to fight him if you decide to do it right away. If you cheese him, it's even easier. I was able to do at at around level 15 on Hard.