How to beat Daedalus and Fel before their combat phases?

[Ensemble]

What decks/clans are good for the achievement? I got the Seraph one because it's easier to have an out-of-control deck by then but it's trickier to pop off earlier.
If you got the achievement, how did you get it?

[RockType]

I got them all at once playing Stygian in one of the cov ~7-10 rounds. It turned out spell-weakness scales really quickly.

Can't quite remember what I played exactly, sorry. Probably Red or Green support.

[Uncle Al]

I haven't made a serious effort to do this yet, like you I've just done Seraph, but Stygian + Hellhorned is what I plan to use. You want a spell that will hit hard that's not random target or target first enemy + spell weakness. Inferno is absolutely perfect.

You can probably just use an Icy Tornado for Daedalus, 60 damage (one spell power upgrade on Tornado) will be enough to kill him with decent spell weakness assuming one hit of the spell clears out his explosive. Putting a spell power + consume on Tornado is even stronger. You can also probably clear the explosive with an Ice Lance anyway then hit him with your tornado for 90. Ice Storm with a spell power + consume will hit for 88 even after clearing an explosive, 110 if you can clear it first.

Fel is almost never in a clear lane in my experience, and her tank minions have too many HP to be one shot by Tornado or Storm, so you need a heavier hitter, which is where Inferno comes in.

You've got a very good chance of having good sources of spell weakness plus a common upgarade on a damage spell by Daedalus, and a moderate chance of having Inferno by Fel.

If you can get Energy Syphon with holdover you're laughing, obviously, but Stygian can build huge spell weakness just with some mix of Tethys, Icy Cliophytes, Urchin Spines and Energy Syphon.

I had a recent run where I duped a multistrike Cliophyte and had a holdover Energy Syphon and just annihilated Seraph in no time. I really should have gotten the achievement for Fel and maybe even Daedalus (Cliophyte was very early) if I'd been thinking about it, but I didn't play those fights optimally and wasn't really thinking about achievements.

Oh you probably want to run under covenant level 12 so the bosses have standard HP.

[gruetoo]

I had an Umbra run with Sketches of Salvation and a bunch of suped up and duplicated shadowsieges that destroyed everything that dared enter the second floor.

[Sock]

I played stygian and stacked spell weakness and cycloned every boss in the game before final wave, was my luckiest and easiest run by far.

[sleepy_worm]

I got those on a favorable daily run. I think you can create an overpowered "challenge" run to tilt the scales in your favor. I've done doubling frostbite, but that requires a specific card having holdover. Spell weakness is probably the easiest way.

[Drecon]

There's a spell that doubles Frostbite. I got Fel by having two of those and casting them on her a bunch.
I think I got Daedalus with some kind of 4x multistrike unit with 100 power or something? I don't remember the specifics.

[Balrend]

I only got Fel done atm and I did it with Stygian main and Awoken support. Sweep made a lot of damage to her.

[Drecon]

Postat inițial de Balrend:

I only got Fel done atm and I did it with Stygian main and Awoken support. Sweep made a lot of damage to her.

Fel is probably the easiest. Daedalus is so early that it's hard to have scaled a lot by then and Seraph has so much HP that your deck needs to be so good that you've probably already beat Fel early too.

[Zeel Ara]

Stygian with spell weakness or frostburn. Requires you to get the needed tools early, so there's a large amount of RNG involved, but that's solved simply by playing more.

[Malkav0]

Postat inițial de Uncle Al:

Oh you probably want to run under covenant level 12 so the bosses have standard HP.

That's definitely unexpected, unusual and unplanned but today I killed Fel before her final phase on c25 with a combination not even supposed to do so: Hellhorn/Awaken. I had duped large Animus of Will (3 of them), some ascend, some retreat, the plan being having one at the very back of a party floor, who gets double stack Dark Deal, with the rage brute in the bunch. The cards required went so fast that two turns during the fight, Fel stopped on that floor and that animus already had over 200 attack x 3, plus the rest of the floor and other turns. Didn't see that coming. Pretty nice surprise (Seraph got destroyed normally).

Generally I find Daedalus harder to get, because you get so much less combos possible at that point.

[Psychonaut]

Postat inițial de Ensemble:

What decks/clans are good for the achievement? I got the Seraph one because it's easier to have an out-of-control deck by then but it's trickier to pop off earlier.
If you got the achievement, how did you get it?

easiest way is probably frostbite. I just beat Cov. 9 with the card that gives 10 frostbite (improved with -1 cost and +10 magic, so 20 frostbite), then I got the card that doubled all frostbite on an enemy and forged it as many times as I could during the run (ended up with 5 cards that doubled frostbite).
He got 999 frostbite in 5-7 turns then it was all ogre for him

[chiya]

Fel is easy with many builds. I did mine with Multistrike. use Ascend/Descend to stack units in a single floor and you can dish out 1000+ damage in a turn, and since you can Ascend/Descend the boss too, you can ensure that you can keep hitting her.

Daedalus is a bit spicier since its early game and you probably havent got a great deck yet. Frostbite or spell Weakness is probably the way to go.

[SpaceCat]

I just did fel on cov 25 with Hell/Umbra, but it was just straight up luck. Picked up a shadowseige on turn 4 I think and a minor refraction, doubled it same floor. Then got multistrtike on both next floor, and just ascended and caved all my units to one floor for the easy splat.

[Djwhiskers]

I got really lucky, with this seed you can kill all the bosses before their combat starts.

monstertrain://challenge/EqualityPeersCustody


Take volatile gauge to start off with. Do first fight, skip both card rewards.

Next screen go left for Hellhorned banner.
Take consumer of crowns.

At merchant get multi strike on consumer
Re roll and get quick.
The run is pretty much already won at that point

After next fight take the right path.
Hellvent for another consumer, then at cavern you can get another +5 consumers.

You now have 7 100attack multistrike&quick beefy bois.
And because of volatile gauge. You can cast them for 0-3 mana

The strat for the rest of the run is to just get ascends + decends and stack up as many big bois onto the 2nd level. Have fun xd

[ThatGuyGK]

Postat inițial de Djwhiskers:

I got really lucky, with this seed you can kill all the bosses before their combat starts.

monstertrain://challenge/EqualityPeersCustody


Take volatile gauge to start off with. Do first fight, skip both card rewards.

Next screen go left for Hellhorned banner.
Take consumer of crowns.

At merchant get multi strike on consumer
Re roll and get quick.
The run is pretty much already won at that point

After next fight take the right path.
Hellvent for another consumer, then at cavern you can get another +5 consumers.

You now have 7 100attack multistrike&quick beefy bois.
And because of volatile gauge. You can cast them for 0-3 mana

The strat for the rest of the run is to just get ascends + decends and stack up as many big bois onto the 2nd level. Have fun xd

This worked great. Didn't manage to get Seraph on the first try, though. Trying again right now. Messed up the first time because I didn't have enough money for Quick because I didn't do the challenge for the first battle. Oops.

EDIT: Got em second time. After you get the Consumers, go for the relic paths. You can get the one that gives you 3 ember after you play your second unit, then the one that gives 7 ember at the start of every battle. Helps with Seraph cause you can fill your train with your big guys usually on the first turn.