Best Clan combo for Covenant 25?

[luisedgm]

Finally made it to 25, but the last few runs past cov 20 have been quite frustrating, which clan combo you guys think could have the more reliable cov 25 win?

[Dlanor]

There's no clear answers yet. It mostly depends on how you value the cards and what playstyles you prefer. Hypothetically, imagine if the best strat in the game was Sting spells, but every time you played Awoken you avoided Sting and went for Spikes and Regen. Well even though that's hypothetically the best class, you're not using the things that make it the best so that's irrelevant.

I'm sure eventually people will come up with tierlists and reasons why so and so is the best, but it's really on a person by person basis because when I play a clan combo and you play the same one, we probably value different cards and strategies differently and that changes how much success we'll both find.

Experiment with trying things you normally wouldn't, it's ok to lose games just to see if something is better than you assume.

[s†. Chris†opher]

I think consistency and least set up would define the criteria for 'best' clan combo.

All the clan combos can win Cov 25, but some of them rely on the RNG gods more than the others to set your win conditions and scaling cards.

[Neon Black Interactive]

Some people are gonna disagree of course but after getting at least 1 win with every combo at cov 25 I think Stygian primary Awoken secondary is the most consistently powerful.

[Foolswalkin]

Is Awoken primary Stygian secondary in second place?

[Neon Black Interactive]

Originally posted by Foolswalkin:

Is Awoken primary Stygian secondary in second place?

Awoken primary stygian secondary is definitely top 3 but I'm not sure if it's better or worse than stygian primary hellhorned secondary.

[Figgy20000]

I find Umbra Stygian the easiest, champion is up to you which one. Crucible Warden combined with either MorselMaster or Morsel Maker on a floor defeats Seraph by itself when you get the units upgraded, and neither are rare which makes the combo consistant. Titan Sentry with endless basically kills any low hp units in the game. Then you just need to make sure you have enough dps to not die to regular mobs which can be tricky, but much easier than actually having to deal with the boss imo. Freeze Tethys is insane against Seraph but is super weak against early spikes and sweep. I find any combination of Penumbra makes the early game such a joke you can be greedy as balls to get early gold to get you into late game far easier.

Lodestone Totem is just simply the best unit in the entire game as well. If you get one early you can just copy it twice and the entire game becomes a joke if you're only going for completionist sake. Bosses that have 50 sap on them are jokingly easy. However not reliable enough to try to winstreak off of.

[Neon Black Interactive]

Originally posted by Figgy20000:

I find Umbra Stygian the easiest, champion is up to you which one. Crucible Warden combined with either MorselMaster or Morsel Maker on a floor defeats Seraph by itself when you get the units upgraded, and neither are rare which makes the combo consistant. Then you just need to make sure you have enough dps to not die to regular mobs which can be tricky, but much easier than actually having to deal with the boss imo.

Lodestone Totem is just simply the best unit in the entire game as well. If you get one early you can just copy it twice and the entire game becomes a joke if you're only going for completionist sake. However not reliable enough to try to winstreak off of.

I do like stygian umbra but I feel like the umbra portion has some pretty bad consistency issues. Being able to incant off of morsel generators then use the morsels on a different floor is nice though. Lodestone totem is definitely a bit much. The fact it can do everything you need to do during a run by itself is ridiculous.

[Figgy20000]

Originally posted by Urilbedamned:

Originally posted by Figgy20000:

I find Umbra Stygian the easiest, champion is up to you which one. Crucible Warden combined with either MorselMaster or Morsel Maker on a floor defeats Seraph by itself when you get the units upgraded, and neither are rare which makes the combo consistant. Then you just need to make sure you have enough dps to not die to regular mobs which can be tricky, but much easier than actually having to deal with the boss imo.

Lodestone Totem is just simply the best unit in the entire game as well. If you get one early you can just copy it twice and the entire game becomes a joke if you're only going for completionist sake. However not reliable enough to try to winstreak off of.

I do like stygian umbra but I feel like the umbra portion has some pretty bad consistency issues. Being able to incant off of morsel generators then use the morsels on a different floor is nice though. Lodestone totem is definitely a bit much. The fact it can do everything you need to do during a run by itself is ridiculous.

Lodestone needs a significant nerf imo. Even on A25 if you get one early and just copy it twice once you get set up on floor 1 every unit coming in has 10+ sap and your Pyre just kills it anyways. Not to mention taking absolutely zero damage on your actual units. It's far too broken imo and is part of the reason everyone knows Stygian is by far number 1 no matter what other class you pick with it. I just prefer Umbra with it because it has the most consistant early game imo, Penumbra alone carries you through the first boss.

Umbra's main weakness is direct damage but I save scum my runs anyways so I don't have as much trouble killing the pixies. I guess without save scumming it would be a lot more of a factor with consistancy in that regard.

[Steven of Astora]

I did it with with stygian/awoken using frost. Didn't take me too long to get a win although it was very close. Pretty straightforward combo to play.

[luisedgm]

My biggest issue are the fights between Fel and the Seraph, my setups take too long to build up power or the one card i need is the last in the deck, so i can't kill the Gilded Wings fast enough and they kill the Pyre. (oh and yeah, i do try to copy vital cards and keep the deck thin when i can)

The bosses are not the problem for me.

[Neon Black Interactive]

Originally posted by luisedgm:

My biggest issue are the fights between Fel and the Seraph, my setups take too long to build up power or the one card i need is the last in the deck, so i can't kill the Gilded Wings fast enough and they kill the Pyre. (oh and yeah, i do try to copy vital cards and keep the deck thin when i can)

The bosses are not the problem for me.

The gilded and dark wings are definitely one of the bigger threats you need to deal with. I'll try to give some advice on how to deal with them better.

1. Try to conserve as much hp as possible throughout the course of the run. If you think a trials gonna do a good chunk of damage to your pyre don't do it. Sometimes there's just no way you can kill all the gilded wings and dark wings in time. When this happens having more pyre hp can be the difference between dying to gilded wings and making through the trash phase and killing seraph.

2. Having a way to get around steel wings (the 0 attack guys with tons of armor) is a huge deal. Cards that ascend or descend are great against them because they don't create any problems in the back and you can just let them go off to the pyre after dealing with the dudes you put them behind since they have 0 attack. Piercing spells are also great, the ones that come to mind are horn break with +magic power and sting with the steel casing artifact. Getting them out of the way effectively reduces the amount of damage you need to do to that pod of enemies by at least 100 if not more due to overkill damage.

3. These guys are in fact the biggest threat to most runs that make it past Daedalus. As a result you need to be investing a very large portion of your resources to deal with them. The best game plan overall is to focus your dps package primary on dealing with gilded wings and then find a way to have your strategy for them also be able to kill seraph incidentally. Cards you take solely for killing the boss are okay in small numbers but most of your strategy for the boss should be the same engine that's dealing with the gilded wing situation.

[luisedgm]

After 3 hours trying Hellhorn/Awoken I gave up and went with the Stygian/Awoken...
First try easy win... I stacked over 800 frost on the seraph and got the kill on the bottom lane.

Nice credits scene!

[Prometheus]

Regen is probably the most reliable way to scale to a huge boss (cov 25 Seraph). Its very rare you don't pick up at least one of the many high power regen cards as there is one present in every rarity tier. Since you have that boss reliability you just need to look for ways to deal with the trash mobs.

Awoken champ is a great multitool. You are going to have either upfront damage from healing, small killing with spikes or a bit of both. Just one level of the spikes variant gets you 10 spikes which means she beats any low health unit. It also means you don't have to rely on getting a beefy unit to focus regen on through unit drafts. So you can focus on getting the regen upgraded properly and getting the damage for the 190 health guys.

[Ackranome]

I have for sure had specific cards with awoken/sty that make me go - damn - this set up can't be beat.

[ShadeDragon]

Stygian/Hellhorned was my first Cov 25 win. Stygian is a strong faction overall, spell weakness scales really well, especially with powerful faction spells like bramble lash, battering ram, and so forth. Sap is one of the best defensive options in the game as well.