I give up with FM 20

[vgd139rut]

So I have been having this problem not only in this installment, but in quite a few actually, but especially this year is unbelievably apparent that english teams are somehow 5-6 times better than any other country's team. I made an experiment: I used the FM editor, picked Marseille as a team; got all world-class players like Messi, ronaldo, you get the drill; made their morale perfect; everyone happy; everyone at 100 fit and 100 match sharpness. Ligue 1 was a breeze, but the moment I faced Spurs in the semi's in the UCL I lost both legs. 1st leg 3-0 and second leg I won 5-4, but lost the tie overrall. (I forgot to add that I froze everyone's attributes on my team aswell)
I said to myself -- okay, this is just the 1st season. Next season I face Man U in the group stage and guess what? Two losses (me)1-2 and 1-0(me). Still It was slim, so whatever. In the quarter's here come Wolves.... wait.... what.... Wolves??!! HOW? Whatever. Playyed vs them. 1st leg at home I won 2-1 (woot woot), but here comes THEIR home leg and they beat me 4-1. Ill be waiting for FM 21. Hopefully this time Leyton Orient won't beat PSG in a friendly game or something utterly ridiculous.

EDIT: Keep in mind that by 1st season I mean 1st UCL season with Marseille.

[Plague Mage]

Their team always has a lot of money

[krashd]

İlk olarak Tetsuro P12 tarafından gönderildi:

It's really a shame. Not only english clubs, but the (english) national team too. They can't just make this game believable, that's it. Probably it's because they need to sell this game first in England, where is sells the most, and eventually english customers would whine ad feel lost facing foreign real competition.

You shouldn't spread misinformation, English sales of FM are not even in the top ten, countries like Germany and China are where the game makes it's money.

[Tetsuro P12]

İlk olarak roykela tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Tetsuro P12 tarafından gönderildi:

I wont say it isn't enough as a sample size, I doubt it is a no brexit one. I would suggest you take a look to english teams, if they treat EU players as english or as foreigner.
Why no one says italian teams are overpowered? Or german teams overpowered? Everyone says english, so there should be some truth in it. We don't like to criticize for nothing.
I have vanilla with now 30.000 players (they were more at the start of my save, like double this amount).

Their country scouts should be sacked then. Make germans scout english players, they are usually fair. Every year there are problems with english teams. Also, eventually tune down english clubs staff, for example I don't think english are particularly good as talent scouts, where italians are top in that area (otherwise with so less money they wouldn't be competitive, like they are in reality).

The Premiership rules page screenshot should tell you exactly what Brexit it is.
Loaded up a new game here now just to check and the rules for foreigners are exactly the same at the start of the game as they are in my career game. So, it seems like there was indeed a no-Brexit.
When i check other PL teams in my main game they are filled with foreigners. Mainly from the EU.

The scouts are volunteers. They do it for free. And if they would sack them they would have to sack the German ones as well.

Regarding English club staff and talent scouts. Many teams have talent scouts from other countries with knowledge that expands the club's knowledge in the world.
Checking Liverpool in my main game now. They have 15 scouts where 5 of them are English, 1 is from Northern Ireland and 1 from Scotland. The rest are from Cameroon, France, Denmark, Argentina, Spain and Slovakia.

I'm not saying you're wrong but a lot of people saying the same thing doesn't necessarily make it correct.

As a similar example; One thing i notice on different forums are that assists only come from fullbacks and wingers, and hardly any from central positions. Period! A lot of people are saying that. I can't say the same thing. When i check my own league, the top 20 are mostly from central positions and wingers.

What i'm saying is that you might indeed have a save where English teams dominate. I have a save where they're not dominating.
You might start several saves where that happens. I might start several saves where it doesn't happen. That is what happens in a dynamic, random world.
But, as i mentioned before, the leagues you choose to load up, and the amount of players, will also have an impact on which teams/nations will mostly do better overall.

The Earth is flat. Many people say so. Provide evidence that it isn't.
Here's a plethora of evidence.
The evidence is fake. I don't believe it.

Rejecting the facts doesn't make the game biased towards English teams and players.
That is not me saying you don't experience it. I would expect that to happen in several people's saves. I would also expect it not to happen in several people's saves.

Just remember; FM is a simulation of a future, virtual reality based on the game of Football we know today. The moment you first click the continue button reality is out the door.

Look Roykela, as said by others in this very thread we constantly experiment this 'English take it all' experience. I understand that you like to contest our facts but they are what they are.
It's about HISTORY. It's not a problem of this year, EVERY edition made english clubs overpowered. This one is just WORSE than the others. They made a problem larger, that's it.
I suppose next year will be the same, to 'continue the infamous tradition', thanks also to people like you that like to contest obvious patterns.

x krashd: I knew that in past editions most sales were in England, then Germany. Don't know how it sells know, sources?

[Liquid Todd / Slash]

İlk olarak dscam11 tarafından gönderildi:

It's just harder than before, the AI learns you tactics faster to out wit it you have to constantly adapt your tacits, there are A few plug and play, but you still have to ad we pt them every game depending on formation. I pl we y 4-4-2 depending on who I'm playing against I play slightly differently. If you add me and I'll send you my tactic

SI doesn't really want you to share tactics anymore. They want you to come up with your own and keep them in that little black book away from prying eyes. Any posted in the workshop are tested by SI staff and the best 1s are used to defeat you in future editions. So do what Winston told our grandparents(and in most cases great/or greater grandparents) Keep Mum!

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[nazzaboi10]

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[La Comte de Frou Frou]

I’ve played 6 seasons as AC Milan winning 3 CLs. Beating Bayern, Barca and Chelsea in the finals and knocking out Liverpool and Man City en route. English teams aren’t OP. In fact Internazionale knocked Liverpool out in the quarters last time.

[Liquid Todd / Slash]

Why does success have to be about winning in the top division with a top team? Try managing in the lower leagues and all your problems will just fade away. #findyourlevel

[Tetsuro P12]

I booted up the game after one week of abstinence just to make this screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/KAuoqKU
Notice also the runners-up. -_-

[vgd139rut]

Ok to be fair. The first 3-4 seasons YOU can see like 1 in a million, a different team, but the later you move on, the more blatant it is. Ill give an example of last year's FM while I was playing with Aberynth ( a welsh team). I had like 2-3 gen players passed on. I kinda like stickin with one team for as long as possible. Basically i played for a reeeeeeaaaaally long time with this team. So even though it's fun to grind from welsh obscurity to Europa league, the moment I started reaching the UCL -- you could just see the same english teams being dominant -- Man U; L''pool; Man City; Spurs; Chelsea (20 for Man U; Man City; Liverpool and chelsea; Spurs had 10 in Both, because they managed to win every Europa league they participate in; and everyone knows that the max english teams that can participate is 5) and etc. While I saw from Spain -- Athletic bilbao (8 times in 20 of my UCL campaigns); Villareal (2); Real Sociedad (2); Mallorca (1); from Germany Koln (1); Stuttgart (1); Wolfsburg (3); Fortuna Dusseldorf (1); From France -- Bordeaux (5); Guingamp (2); Toulouse (1); from Italy -- Torino, Sampdoria, Roma (3); Sassuolo (2); Hellas Verona, SPAL (1); even from the netherlands i saw like Go Ahead Eagles, NAC Breda, ADO den Hag (1). Like do you see the pattern?

[Liquid Todd / Slash]

CM/FM has always had along history of being biased, This should not surprise anyone. I mean the Collyers were notorious in that they overclocked the blue half of Merseyside to infinity & beyond. I maybe old fashioned but I am just glad you don't see Everton or for that matter Watford in your screenshots :P

Becareful what you wish for. Future editions might have TNS popping up from time to time ;)

[Tetsuro P12]

It will be nice to break that infamous tradition, they could even call it a new feature... better than a Development Centre, for sure.

[vgd139rut]

İlk olarak Slash a.k.a Liquid Todd tarafından gönderildi:

Becareful what you wish for. Future editions might have TNS popping up from time to time ;)

That could be fun actually. That means you aren't the only manager who is a part oif a bigger project.

[PX1181]

İlk olarak Tetsuro P12 tarafından gönderildi:

Look Roykela, as said by others in this very thread we constantly experiment this 'English take it all' experience. I understand that you like to contest our facts but they are what they are.
It's about HISTORY. It's not a problem of this year, EVERY edition made english clubs overpowered. This one is just WORSE than the others. They made a problem larger, that's it.
I suppose next year will be the same, to 'continue the infamous tradition', thanks also to people like you that like to contest obvious patterns.

x krashd: I knew that in past editions most sales were in England, then Germany. Don't know how it sells know, sources?

If that is the case, why don't i have the same experience? I'm merely contesting it because of my own experience over the years. I don't see the same pattern happening at all.
I am an other as well and i can use the "other-argument" as well towards the opposite. But that would just make me biased towards my own opinion, by seeking confirmation from people with the same experience as me; completely disregarding others who aren't having the same experience as me.
If it would be the way you say it is there wouldn't be so many people on either side.

Thing is; both sides are kind of right and kind of wrong.
In some saves it should and would be that way. In other saves it shouldn't and wouldn't. If that wouldn't be the case then something would be wrong, as everyone would experience the same pattern.
And yes, i know you're also talking about history. That was part of my point as well.

[vgd139rut]

İlk olarak Tetsuro P12 tarafından gönderildi:

If that is the case, why don't i have the same experience? I'm merely contesting it because of my own experience over the years. I don't see the same pattern happening at all.
I am an other as well and i can use the "other-argument" as well towards the opposite. But that would just make me biased towards my own opinion, by seeking confirmation from people with the same experience as me; completely disregarding others who aren't having the same experience as me.
If it would be the way you say it is there wouldn't be so many people on either side.

Thing is; both sides are kind of right and kind of wrong.
In some saves it should and would be that way. In other saves it shouldn't and wouldn't. If that wouldn't be the case then something would be wrong, as everyone would experience the same pattern.
And yes, i know you're also talking about history. That was part of my point as well.

Well the thing is that every team based in England is OP. Enable the editor and check the club details with the section where you can from 1 to 20 what their prowess is in "Width", "Tactical" and etc. You wil see them having EXTREMELY blown out of proportions ratings. Also according to FM 20 Jack Colback is slightly worse than Marcos Llorente ( a much better player than Jack);
Connor Wickham is as good as Rodrigo Palacio ( yes he is 37, but you can't argue that he is still better than Wickham); Jordan Ayew ia almost as good as Ciro Immobile; Zaha is more expensive to get than Douglas Costa, Kingsley Coman; Gnabry; Lewandowski. When I try buying Zaha -- they ask for 180 mil. when I go for lewa -- 105 mil.