I give up with FM 20

[vgd139rut]

So I have been having this problem not only in this installment, but in quite a few actually, but especially this year is unbelievably apparent that english teams are somehow 5-6 times better than any other country's team. I made an experiment: I used the FM editor, picked Marseille as a team; got all world-class players like Messi, ronaldo, you get the drill; made their morale perfect; everyone happy; everyone at 100 fit and 100 match sharpness. Ligue 1 was a breeze, but the moment I faced Spurs in the semi's in the UCL I lost both legs. 1st leg 3-0 and second leg I won 5-4, but lost the tie overrall. (I forgot to add that I froze everyone's attributes on my team aswell)
I said to myself -- okay, this is just the 1st season. Next season I face Man U in the group stage and guess what? Two losses (me)1-2 and 1-0(me). Still It was slim, so whatever. In the quarter's here come Wolves.... wait.... what.... Wolves??!! HOW? Whatever. Playyed vs them. 1st leg at home I won 2-1 (woot woot), but here comes THEIR home leg and they beat me 4-1. Ill be waiting for FM 21. Hopefully this time Leyton Orient won't beat PSG in a friendly game or something utterly ridiculous.

EDIT: Keep in mind that by 1st season I mean 1st UCL season with Marseille.

[gambolllek]

Tak

[mafuentes01]

Git gud

[Liquid Todd / Slash]

So basically what your saying is you ruled out every possible reason apart your management skills? Have you considered becoming an driver for Uber? :P

[vgd139rut]

Originally posted by Slash a.k.a Liquid Todd:

So basically what your saying is you ruled out every possible reason apart your management skills? Have you considered becoming an driver for Uber? :P

? So you are saying that seeing 8/10 UCL winners being english teams is "real". Even if you play in lower league football you see that bs. That's my main point. Not whether I have good/bad tactics. You guys missing the point, means you miss a few brain cells. No problems. I'm used to english football fans being pretty overhyped about their league and players to the point of stupidity.

[Tetsuro P12]

It's really a shame. Not only english clubs, but the (english) national team too. They can't just make this game believable, that's it. Probably it's because they need to sell this game first in England, where is sells the most, and eventually english customers would whine ad feel lost facing foreign real competition.

[PX1181]

In my game i have the following winners. I'm in 2040 at the moment
Can't really say English teams, with the national team, are dominating here:

European Championship:
2020 - Belgium
2024 - Spain
2028 - England
2032 - England
2036 - Portugal

World Cup:
2022 - England
2026 - Italy
2030 - Italy
2034 - Portugal
2038 - Italy

Champions League:
19/20: Real Madrid
20/21: Barcelona
21/22: PSG
22/23: PSG
23/24: Tottenham
24/25: PSG
25/26: PSG
26/27: Real Madrid
27/28: Lyon
28/29: PSG
29/30: Barcelona
30/31: Atletico Madrid
31/32: Man Utd
32/33: Man Utd
33/34: Liverpool
34/35: Benfica
35/36: PSG
36/37: Man City
37/38: Liverpool
38/39: Atletico Madrid

Europa League:
19/20: Dortmund
20/21: Man Utd
21/22: Lyon
22/23: Tottenham
23/24: Inter
24/25: Dortmund
25/26: Milan
26/27: Liverpool
27/28: Barcelona
28/29: Lille
29/30: Tottenham
30/31: Man City
31/32: Dortmund
32/33: Tottenham
33/34: Dortmund
34/35: Dortmund
35/36: Dortmund
36/37: Man Utd
37/38: Chelsea
38/39: Everton

[Ren]

everyones games are different u dumbass

[PX1181]

Originally posted by Ren:

everyones games are different u dumbass

Who are you pointing that out to?

[Tetsuro P12]

Originally posted by roykela:

In my game i have the following winners. I'm in 2040 at the moment
Can't really say English teams, with the national team, are dominating here:

European Championship:
2020 - Belgium
2024 - Spain
2028 - England
2032 - England
2036 - Portugal

World Cup:
2022 - England
2026 - Italy
2030 - Italy
2034 - Portugal
2038 - Italy

Champions League:
19/20: Real Madrid
20/21: Barcelona
21/22: PSG
22/23: PSG
23/24: Tottenham
24/25: PSG
25/26: PSG
26/27: Real Madrid
27/28: Lyon
28/29: PSG
29/30: Barcelona
30/31: Atletico Madrid
31/32: Man Utd
32/33: Man Utd
33/34: Liverpool
34/35: Benfica
35/36: PSG
36/37: Man City
37/38: Liverpool
38/39: Atletico Madrid

Europa League:
19/20: Dortmund
20/21: Man Utd
21/22: Lyon
22/23: Tottenham
23/24: Inter
24/25: Dortmund
25/26: Milan
26/27: Liverpool
27/28: Barcelona
28/29: Lille
29/30: Tottenham
30/31: Man City
31/32: Dortmund
32/33: Tottenham
33/34: Dortmund
34/35: Dortmund
35/36: Dortmund
36/37: Man Utd
37/38: Chelsea
38/39: Everton

Eventually you got hard Brexit with following rules? Otherwise aren't believable.
Me, as many others, have ALMOST ALL Champions League won by english teams, and England often in top 3. That's boring.
The only time an english team have not won Champions League in my save was because I kicked their last team out at Semifinals (Manchester City).

[PX1181]

Originally posted by Tetsuro P12:

Eventually you got hard Brexit with following rules? Otherwise aren't believable.
Me, as many others, have ALMOST ALL Champions League won by english teams, and England often in top 3. That's boring.
The only time an english team have not won Champions League in my save was because I kicked their last team out at Semifinals (Manchester City).

Could be. I wouldn't know. Hard Brexit or not; Believable or not; That's what the results here are.
These are from the Rules page in the Premier League:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2037171565

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2037171456

[Tetsuro P12]

Originally posted by roykela:

Originally posted by Tetsuro P12:

Eventually you got hard Brexit with following rules? Otherwise aren't believable.
Me, as many others, have ALMOST ALL Champions League won by english teams, and England often in top 3. That's boring.
The only time an english team have not won Champions League in my save was because I kicked their last team out at Semifinals (Manchester City).

Could be. I wouldn't know. Hard Brexit or not; Believable or not; That's what the results here are.
These are from the Rules page in the Premier League:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2037171565

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2037171456

Hard brexit means that EU players will be treated as foreigners, so employement would be more difficult for english teams. In my save english teams can freely employ EU players as if Brexit didn't happen.
Maybe the game is tuned for making the 'hard brexit' option working easier when you run into it, but I tend towards thinking because devs are unfair (because they are english? Because they target especially the english market?). If not unfair... incompetent, and I don't know which would be worse.

[PX1181]

Originally posted by Tetsuro P12:

Hard brexit means that EU players will be treated as foreigners, so employement would be more difficult for english teams. In my save english teams can freely employ EU players as if Brexit didn't happen.
Maybe the game is tuned for making the 'hard brexit' option working easier when you run into it, but I tend towards thinking because devs are unfair (because they are english? Because they target especially the english market?). If not unfair... incompetent, and I don't know which would be worse.

Sorry, I probably should've been a bit more clear. I know what it means. What i meant was; i wouldn't know which one happened in my save, as it was quite a few years ago and i also tend to not care which Brexit it is, when i'm playing.

My examples are nowhere near enough a good sample size when it comes to saying how it actually is.
From my time with FM i can only say that i haven't seen/noticed any bias towards English teams.
Devs might be English but they base the data on fans of football/FM, from respective countries, "scouting" their own clubs.
It would be their volunteering, researching "scouts" that would both be overrating and underrating their own clubs/players/nations.

Something that could have an impact on "biased" results is what kind of countries and leagues. plus the amount of players, are loaded.
I have all vanilla leagues loaded with a db on around 380k players.
Still, i'm only running my own league on full detail, meaning other leagues will simulate results based on reputation and probability.

[Tetsuro P12]

Originally posted by roykela:

Originally posted by Tetsuro P12:

Hard brexit means that EU players will be treated as foreigners, so employement would be more difficult for english teams. In my save english teams can freely employ EU players as if Brexit didn't happen.
Maybe the game is tuned for making the 'hard brexit' option working easier when you run into it, but I tend towards thinking because devs are unfair (because they are english? Because they target especially the english market?). If not unfair... incompetent, and I don't know which would be worse.

Sorry, I probably should've been a bit more clear. I know what it means. What i meant was; i wouldn't know which one happened in my save, as it was quite a few years ago and i also tend to not care which Brexit it is, when i'm playing.

My examples are nowhere near enough a good sample size when it comes to saying how it actually is.
From my time with FM i can only say that i haven't seen/noticed any bias towards English teams.
Devs might be English but they base the data on fans of football/FM, from respective countries, "scouting" their own clubs.
It would be their volunteering, researching "scouts" that would both be overrating and underrating their own clubs/players/nations.

Something that could have an impact on "biased" results is what kind of countries and leagues. plus the amount of players, are loaded.
I have all vanilla leagues loaded with a db on around 380k players.
Still, i'm only running my own league on full detail, meaning other leagues will simulate results based on reputation and probability.

I wont say it isn't enough as a sample size, I doubt it is a no brexit one. I would suggest you take a look to english teams, if they treat EU players as english or as foreigner.
Why no one says italian teams are overpowered? Or german teams overpowered? Everyone says english, so there should be some truth in it. We don't like to criticize for nothing.
I have vanilla with now 30.000 players (they were more at the start of my save, like double this amount).

Their country scouts should be sacked then. Make germans scout english players, they are usually fair. Every year there are problems with english teams. Also, eventually tune down english clubs staff, for example I don't think english are particularly good as talent scouts, where italians are top in that area (otherwise with so less money they wouldn't be competitive, like they are in reality).

[PX1181]

Originally posted by Tetsuro P12:

I wont say it isn't enough as a sample size, I doubt it is a no brexit one. I would suggest you take a look to english teams, if they treat EU players as english or as foreigner.
Why no one says italian teams are overpowered? Or german teams overpowered? Everyone says english, so there should be some truth in it. We don't like to criticize for nothing.
I have vanilla with now 30.000 players (they were more at the start of my save, like double this amount).

Their country scouts should be sacked then. Make germans scout english players, they are usually fair. Every year there are problems with english teams. Also, eventually tune down english clubs staff, for example I don't think english are particularly good as talent scouts, where italians are top in that area (otherwise with so less money they wouldn't be competitive, like they are in reality).

The Premiership rules page screenshot should tell you exactly what Brexit it is.
Loaded up a new game here now just to check and the rules for foreigners are exactly the same at the start of the game as they are in my career game. So, it seems like there was indeed a no-Brexit.
When i check other PL teams in my main game they are filled with foreigners. Mainly from the EU.

The scouts are volunteers. They do it for free. And if they would sack them they would have to sack the German ones as well.

Regarding English club staff and talent scouts. Many teams have talent scouts from other countries with knowledge that expands the club's knowledge in the world.
Checking Liverpool in my main game now. They have 15 scouts where 5 of them are English, 1 is from Northern Ireland and 1 from Scotland. The rest are from Cameroon, France, Denmark, Argentina, Spain and Slovakia.

I'm not saying you're wrong but a lot of people saying the same thing doesn't necessarily make it correct.

As a similar example; One thing i notice on different forums are that assists only come from fullbacks and wingers, and hardly any from central positions. Period! A lot of people are saying that. I can't say the same thing. When i check my own league, the top 20 are mostly from central positions and wingers.

What i'm saying is that you might indeed have a save where English teams dominate. I have a save where they're not dominating.
You might start several saves where that happens. I might start several saves where it doesn't happen. That is what happens in a dynamic, random world.
But, as i mentioned before, the leagues you choose to load up, and the amount of players, will also have an impact on which teams/nations will mostly do better overall.

The Earth is flat. Many people say so. Provide evidence that it isn't.
Here's a plethora of evidence.
The evidence is fake. I don't believe it.

Rejecting the facts doesn't make the game biased towards English teams and players.
That is not me saying you don't experience it. I would expect that to happen in several people's saves. I would also expect it not to happen in several people's saves.

Just remember; FM is a simulation of a future, virtual reality based on the game of Football we know today. The moment you first click the continue button reality is out the door.

[The Hare]

It's just harder than before, the AI learns you tactics faster to out wit it you have to constantly adapt your tacits, there are A few plug and play, but you still have to ad we pt them every game depending on formation. I pl we y 4-4-2 depending on who I'm playing against I play slightly differently. If you add me and I'll send you my tactic