Long rest makes the game too easy

[Goob]

Played this game to the end love every part of it but one tiny bit makes the game a little less enjoyable for me.

Long resting is too op, short rest is useless nothing stops you going back to a campfire or a near-by town to fully heal after every encounter.

If you have a spell like good berries you now have the ability to long rest infinitely, meaning you have no need to save spell slots, divinity, or even rations.

I made my own rules a sort of only long rest once per location but I'd love some kind of option to turn that off.

I'd like to know other peoples thoughts on this.

[Goob]

Originally posted by jimdirks:

you have that option. It is called...self discipline.

Maybe read the post before being a smart arse, I already said I do that I wanted other peoples opinions on it...

[Goob]

Originally posted by Silverquick:

Well that wouldn't really be Dungeons and Dragons then,

The reality is that in D&D you can leave at any time and go back to town or your base camp and rest if your party just got shelacked or burned everything out.

You can actually do that in your own Dungeon Maker modules because you control where you put the Campsite. So you could have an adventure where the party starts in a specific point with no campsite and then eventually as they progress find one, if you were to choose.

But I doubt the Dungeon Masters (Devs) of the current Official Campaign will do that.

I understand what you are saying, but in real life obviously a DM will ambush you when you camp for the 50th time or maybe have some event happen to delay you're ability to fully restore all your health/spellslots/blahblahblah where as in this game you can just rest after every encounter

[Silverquick]

Cortah with all due respect here...

This quite literally is the best we've ever had for a D&D game... like ever. This is the first time you cannot run around and endlessly rest over and over by squatting down on the spot...

Like you know... in every other computer D&D game.

The only exception has been the old Gold Box edition games like Pool of Radiance and Curse of the Azure Bonds. And it was the same thing, you just had to track all the way back through the dungeon and go to town to rest.

Here you just have to track all the way back to the last campsite, then rest. Just like in real actual D&D.

[Cosmo 🐲]

Originally posted by Silverquick:

Cortah with all due respect here...

This quite literally is the best we've ever had for a D&D game... like ever. This is the first time you cannot run around and endlessly rest over and over by squatting down on the spot...

Like you know... in every other computer D&D game.

The only exception has been the old Gold Box edition games like Pool of Radiance and Curse of the Azure Bonds. And it was the same thing, you just had to track all the way back through the dungeon and go to town to rest.

Here you just have to track all the way back to the last campsite, then rest. Just like in real actual D&D.

^This

[Grumpy Old Dude]

Originally posted by Cortah:

Originally posted by jimdirks:

you have that option. It is called...self discipline.

Maybe read the post before being a smart arse, I already said I do that I wanted other peoples opinions on it...

I did read it, and you have my opinion

[wizard1200]

Originally posted by jimdirks:

you have that option. It is called...self discipline.

I think that a game - especially a tactical game - should have a balanced combat encounters without asking the player to judge if another rest will break this balance or not.

Originally posted by Silverquick:

This is the first time you cannot run around and endlessly rest over and over by squatting down on the spot...

You can do this basically if your party includes a greenmage, ranger or cleric who casts goodberries or create food. With unlimited food the campfire makes it only more tedious.

[Silverquick]

No you actually can't Wiz,

You have to run back to the campsite first which could be a LONG ways away from where you were.

In previous games you could just squat down on the spot and insta rest. NWN was the worst for this. At the very least Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale did have SOME random encounters while resting in dungeons, but they were easily defeated by just load/saving until you didn't get one.

Kingmaker at LEAST required Camping supplies. This game requires Rations and you still can't do it anywhere unlike with Kingmaker (Pathfinder).

This literally is the best we've ever had it.

[wizard1200]

I guess that you posted the reply while i edited my post to make my point clearer: You are right, you cant't rest on the spot, but traveling back to the campfire makes it only more tedious without any real consequences.

[Silverquick]

D'oh sorry man, I know how that one goes, I get caught in that myself, in the middle of an edit sometimes.

[Goob]

Originally posted by Silverquick:

D'oh sorry man, I know how that one goes, I get caught in that myself, in the middle of an edit sometimes.

Wiz is making my point a bit better than I did maybe, my real gripe with the healing system is if you have one of the infinity food spells you just go to the nearest campfire if not go to town after every event.

Going back to town or going back to the camp site has no game play value, its just a little more tedious than resting on the spot there's no chance I could fail going back to heal there's no punishment it just means to me that every encounter I can use every spell or daily ability and it wont matter after the fight I can go back no matter how much time it takes ill be fully restored and go into the next encounter fully healed, Im just hoping they add some kind of optional hard mode when it comes to being able to rest.

[Orbital Drop Spicy Taco]

There were some suggestions about time-sensitive contents.

Something like time-sensitive elements or quests to push the players just a little bit. It doesn't need to be a harsh game-over clock like XCOM series, but just enough pushing element for players not to exploit long rests and short rests all they want.

Time-sensitive quests are not only the tool for CRPGs or PC games like XCOM, but also many TRPG DMs use the same tricks. My DM used to enjoy to give us such time pressure. So, TRPG royalists will approve this options:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DMAcademy/comments/8vl20b/time_sensitive_quests/
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/dungeon-masters-only/32121-any-ideas-for-a-time-sensitive-door-puzzle
https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/162219/how-do-i-prevent-my-players-from-abusing-long-rests

I think this kind of time sensitive elements would work to prevent rest exploit at least in some degree. Difficulty custom option could add some multiplier number for time limit, something like normal 1.0, hardest 0.6, easiest 1.4, or some other proper numbers. The basic number for time limit should be very forgiving one IMO, so that players don't want to feel pressure should be able to enjoy without worrying about time element.



Another way to prevent rest exploit is survival elements. If foods and resources are harsh then players would not be able to rest as much as the want. There has been some discussions about this, and some ideas were there. But putting survival element and find the balance would not be an easy work to achieve, so I don't think such thing will be offered from devs. I'm interested to create a mod to adjust some variable to increase survival element in Solasta in the future, if my C# and Harmony skill get better.

[jman0war]

They could peg the number of campsites to the game difficulty setting.
For example playing the game on a harder difficulty removes several campsites from zones.

[Goob]

Originally posted by jman0war:

They could peg the number of campsites to the game difficulty setting.
For example playing the game on a harder difficulty removes several campsites from zones.

Problem is all you have to do is just run back to a town inn and you fully heal anyway nothing stopping you

[Silverquick]

Originally posted by Cortah:

Originally posted by Silverquick:

D'oh sorry man, I know how that one goes, I get caught in that myself, in the middle of an edit sometimes.

Wiz is making my point a bit better than I did maybe, my real gripe with the healing system is if you have one of the infinity food spells you just go to the nearest campfire if not go to town after every event.

Going back to town or going back to the camp site has no game play value, its just a little more tedious than resting on the spot there's no chance I could fail going back to heal there's no punishment it just means to me that every encounter I can use every spell or daily ability and it wont matter after the fight I can go back no matter how much time it takes ill be fully restored and go into the next encounter fully healed, Im just hoping they add some kind of optional hard mode when it comes to being able to rest.

No there is no "gripe".

You guys are going off on ALL kinds of tangents that have NOTHING to do with the reason the game has gotten unchallenging at this point.

Saying.... Oh its the "Caution Stomping", no its the "Camping Exploit"... umm no its not.

The very basic problem here is that at this point NONE of the actual challenges presented by the monsters in the game are even remotely anything to be afraid of anymore. They can't hurt you or damage you or even do anything significant. You are WAYYYY over the level needed to take on the current challenges when you fight them.

You don't even NEED to "Caution Stomp" or "Camp Exploit". Both of which are not a game problem anyway.

Part of that is the Devs increasing the EXP gain, so you are higher level now than when you first faced these in the initial EA where they WERE a challenge. Secondly they FLOODED the game with Magic Items... ALL of this was to test the new levels, spells, recipes, and magic items before release.

This is the most stringent Camping rules out of ALL of the D&D games at this point. Not just one or two, ALL of them. If you can't keep from being a Camp Zombie you REALLY suck at this point.

LAST but not least...

At the end of the day... you are talking about OTHER people doing it... there is nothing saying you HAVE to go out and be a Camp Zombie because... umm the game lets me. And there's no reason they shouldn't or can't do that if they choose.

Those are the rules of D&D and you CAN really do that if you want in the REAL game.
THIS is not an MMO, you don't control other people here.
If you want to do that in your OWN Dungeon Maker created Modules it takes like two seconds to strategically place the camps where doing that would be a major hassle.

If you don't have the self control to NOT do the very thing you're complaining about.... then that's on you. I cannot see ANY reason why the Devs should spend ANY more time on it than they currently have.

[Grumpy Old Dude]

^ I owe this man an adult beverage