Solasta: Crown of the Magister

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craig234 Aug 23, 2021 @ 9:44am
Ability or feats...
Wizard, Paladin, Rogue, Cleric.

Doing Wizard now... I like + INT, but maybe concentration feat is worth it?
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craig234 Aug 23, 2021 @ 10:29am 
Did 2 INT, now on Paladin... hm. Guide suggests 2 CHA, really? Not STR CON?
Ommamar Aug 23, 2021 @ 10:39am 
The Paladins damage is tied into charisma so most front load that attribute then get decent strength and constitution with lower rolls or fewer points.

Since you can raise your attributes with items, some temporary some permanent I always take a feat. The concentration feat is a good choice as a lot of spells requires concentration, the higher difficulty you go though the less effective it is. Really is a preference thing and how you envision your build developing so I don't think either choice is "wrong" it just depends on what you are trying to accomplish.
craig234 Aug 23, 2021 @ 11:02am 
Weird. My paladin doesn't seem to use spells as a primary role, he's melee. Would concentration really be the best feat for a paladin?
Ommamar Aug 23, 2021 @ 11:13am 
Originally posted by craig234:
Weird. My paladin doesn't seem to use spells as a primary role, he's melee. Would concentration really be the best feat for a paladin?

Both spells like bless and the divine shield spell take concentration. It really depends on how you will use him if you don't utilize those spells then there might be a better choice. I generally take the concentration feat on wizards and sorcerer but it wouldn't be a bad choice for a buffing cleric or paladin.
craig234 Aug 23, 2021 @ 11:15am 
I have used some spells that need concentration from the paladin, but he hasn't seemed to need a boost; I did see a suggestion to give him an extra strike feat.
gran2996 Aug 23, 2021 @ 11:41am 
Charisma is not for the spells mostly, in case of paladin. Paladin gets protection aura, which grants bonus saving throws for your companions, having +3 or 4 bonus is a big deal. Spell slots are used for divine smite usually.
craig234 Aug 23, 2021 @ 11:46am 
Huh. Well, if CHA is that recommended, I can give it a try i guess. It'll go from 15 to 17.

Both 16 and 17 give the same +3 boost though...
Last edited by craig234; Aug 23, 2021 @ 11:49am
gran2996 Aug 23, 2021 @ 12:13pm 
Originally posted by craig234:
Huh. Well, if CHA is that recommended, I can give it a try i guess. It'll go from 15 to 17.

Both 16 and 17 give the same +3 boost though...
Its one bonus per every 2, so you need 18 to get +4.
Silverquick Aug 23, 2021 @ 12:36pm 
Originally posted by craig234:
Wizard, Paladin, Rogue, Cleric.

Doing Wizard now... I like + INT, but maybe concentration feat is worth it?

Wizard its not really worth it until later levels when you get your second feat. In general Wizard doesn't have many concentration based spells until around 7th level. Exception being the Green Mage.

Fighter/Paladin/Ranger however... those ones specifically the Feats are better than the ability points. If you're doing Great Sword you will absolutely need Follow Up Strike Feat. It basically gives you 3 attacks at 5th level.

For Ranger or Rogue, Ambidexterity allowing you to wield non-light weapons is huge. It actually allows you to run a Rapier + Shortsword or two Rapiers. So instead of doing 1d6 you're doing 1d8 damage. Plus the Twin Blade Feat gives you basically +3 AC. No Ability bonus will beat that.

Cleric... yes Flawless Concentration is really a BIG one. Almost ALL of their spells are concentration based, especially their GOOD 3rd level spells. So yes definitely worth the Feat for Cleric. They will never lose concentration again.
Last edited by Silverquick; Aug 23, 2021 @ 12:40pm
craig234 Aug 24, 2021 @ 1:30pm 
I'm not sure if my Paladin should do shield or 2H. Both have benefits of course. Is there a best feat for shield and is it better than attributes?
jsaving Aug 24, 2021 @ 4:17pm 
With nearly any full caster, flawless concentration is a great 4th level choice. For a paladin, though, you have to ask exactly which spell you'd be concentrating *on* that's so valuable you would need this feat. Generally you'd be using your spell slots on smites where no concentration is needed.

Paladins are the premier melee burst DPS machines in 5e so you'd almost always want to go 2H rather than sword-and-board.
Last edited by jsaving; Aug 24, 2021 @ 4:56pm
Silverquick Aug 24, 2021 @ 5:13pm 
Originally posted by jsaving:
With nearly any full caster, flawless concentration is a great 4th level choice. For a paladin, though, you have to ask exactly which spell you'd be concentrating *on* that's so valuable you would need this feat. Generally you'd be using your spell slots on smites where no concentration is needed.

No not really.

That really only fits the Clerical side not the Wizard side. Most Wizard spells don't require concentration unless you're playing a Green Mage who has a lot of Concentration based spells. Its Clerics that have a ton of Concentration based spells, not Wizard or Sorcerer.

However post 7th level, many of the good Wizard Spells become concentration based so Wizards really can take the Ability score at 4th and will be better off. Since they don't get their good concentration based spells like Stoneskin, Improved Invisibility, Wall of Fire, Summon Elemental, Black Tentacles, etc until 7th level or higher so they can use their second "Ability/Feat" point gained at 8th on it instead.

Prior to 7th level though, the only real Wizard spells that could potentially use it would be things like Sleep, Flaming Sphere, Stinking Cloud, or Hypnotic Pattern.

Neither Grease, nor Mage Armor require it, nor do Burning Hands, Thunderwave, Magic Missile, Fireball, Lightning Bolt, or pretty much the entire spell list. So its of questionable merit for an arcane caster.

Green Mage is the exception due to multiple spells specific to them that require it, like Entangle, Barkskin, Hunter's Mark, Summon Animal, plus the above ones I named.
Last edited by Silverquick; Aug 24, 2021 @ 5:14pm
craig234 Aug 24, 2021 @ 6:34pm 
I guess I'll make the paladin 2H and take the extra attack feat...
jsaving Aug 24, 2021 @ 6:57pm 
That's the best choice in my view for a paladin. Paladins' high burst DPS lets them remove enemies from the field of battle which is a better enemy damage-reducer than a few extra points of AC would be.
Last edited by jsaving; Aug 24, 2021 @ 8:54pm
Ommamar Aug 24, 2021 @ 8:46pm 
Originally posted by craig234:
I guess I'll make the paladin 2H and take the extra attack feat...

One of the advantages of taking a 2H option is you don't have to swap out to cast, the disadvantage is you lose the extra AC which can be important if you are the front line melee member of the party. You can make up the defense with shield of faith which I believe takes concentration so in that scenario the concentration feat would be helpful. I would still take the feat that allowed an extra attack with your two hand weapon but it is an option if you want a high defensive Paladin who uses a two handed weapon.
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