Solasta: Crown of the Magister

Solasta: Crown of the Magister

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Vic20 2020 年 11 月 14 日 上午 3:03
What's the Best Class and why is it Fighter?
Man, I love 5e fighters. Boring you might say, but with the Spellblade subclass they added... Oh man. You could already heal yourself. Now you can cast spells too (including several lighting options). I usually build dex + dual-wield shortswords with a longbow. It's basically a multiclass fighter/rogue/cleric/mage. Take a background with proficiency in lockpicks, and good to go.

My current party is 4x level 5 fighters... 20 attacks in the first round of combat? Seems good.
最後修改者:Vic20; 2020 年 11 月 14 日 上午 3:05
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Single class or multi classed?

Also, only classes in Solasta or all classes?
Vic20 2020 年 11 月 14 日 上午 3:55 
Just in-game, single class.
Vic20 2020 年 11 月 14 日 上午 3:55 
But I also think fighters are better Rogues than Rogues in 5e. In general.
In 5E rogue is an excellent class to MC into imo. Expertise, extra bonus actions, bit of extra damage with sneak attacks....
I never played a pure rogue so can't really comment too much on that. They make excellent snipers with the right feats though from what I have seen my players do in 5E.

Fighters on the other hand aren't -that- good to MC into. Sure action surge and second wind are nice as is the ability but fighters only really get into their own after level 10 when they get more attacks then rangers, barbs and paladins (and warlocks and bards if they have the right build.)

As a straight class I prefer a paladin because they have more spell slots then a fighter, they can smite when you need it (and few enemies enjoy radiant damage) and their channel divinity is nothing to sneeze at either. Their class abilities and Oath abilities are powerful and buff others in the party often as well. Paladins really are team players.

Up to and including level 5 a ranger is on par with a fighter as well I feel. With hunters mark and a bow and their attack bonus they reliably make their hits and they hurt. After level 5 a fighter outclasses a ranger easily as they get much better things then a ranger does.

20 attacks is great but you need to rest after every battle to maintain that or you'd at 12 (still respectable) and the damage of those is less then what a rogue, ranger or paladin would do at lv 5.
Blackmage 2020 年 11 月 14 日 上午 9:29 
In most sword and sorcery games, the Wizard is usually the strongest class once they reach a certain level, because magic is usually 'that' powerful. In D&D, it's level 5. At the table, Druids and Clerics have frequently been a strong second.

I was a big player of 3.5e, and I find that 5e's lack of class skills to be problematic. It does make sense that anybody can pick a lock, that's how it originally was. But it also does not make sense for a Str. Fighter to pick the DC18 lock the rogue failed at picking because of lucky dice rolls.

With the content Solasta has for us with so far, the Rogue has sadly been quite useless, as apparently a 4x Fighter team is viable for some people. But I shouldn't be surprised, this is a heavily combat oriented campaign, Dex is OP in 5e, and there are no penalties to dual-wielding, only minor limitations, and it's low level at present. But you'll probably be wanting that Wizard later on though, for the crowd control.
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masterdelvin1 2020 年 11 月 14 日 下午 2:42 
eh depends for me really. I do like spells as a whole so Wizards who are able to cast not only cleric spells (green mage) but they have spells that none other can get. I am trying a new game with Sylvian Elves again :) Paladin, Cleric (sun), Ranger (rogue) and Wizard (green mage) so we'll see. I like the idea some have said about Rangers being as good as Rogues if not better, so we'll see.

Have fun Gaming!
Vic20 2020 年 11 月 14 日 下午 6:36 
Fighters on the other hand aren't -that- good to MC into. Sure action surge and second wind are nice as is the ability but fighters only really get into their own after level 10 when they get more attacks then rangers, barbs and paladins (and warlocks and bards if they have the right build.)
I disagree about the MC. Action Surge, Second Wind, all armor, weapons, and shields... Even a 3rd level splash for Subclass? Honestly, it's big-worth if you can fit it in your build. But it's a difficult decision to make with some classes when you're starting off in a low level campaign. I was in that situation with my Hexblade Warlock. The fact that weapon attacks per round are directly tied to either Warlock or Fighter levels, whereas Eldritch Blast has cantrip scaling and doesn't care about class level... It means splashing Fighter comes with a real Flavor disadvantage since your Blast will just be straight up better if you deviate from lock to grab fighter.

I'm sure other builds are in that boat. BUT. If you want a Rogue-Type? Just build a dex fighter. Sneak attack is nice on a crit or when you can reliably drop line of sight... But why bother when you can just unload with a Longbow + Superiority Dice, dip into melee with dual-wielding, pop out a shield and tank something if you need to at any point, heal yourself, better health pool, and just go wherever you want with no positioning setup while still having all the stealth and lock picking you need?

Seems good to me. I'm not saying it's always the best Damage per Round under ideal conditions, but it's just extremely versatile damage/defense.
最後修改者:Vic20; 2020 年 11 月 14 日 下午 6:47
Vic20 2020 年 11 月 14 日 下午 6:45 
But you'll probably be wanting that Wizard later on though, for the crowd control.

Well, Spellblade does have access to crowd control (and more importantly, Dancing Lights because the devs really love lighting disadvantage for some reason lol). Also Jump for those jumping challenges. Feather Fall, all that fun stuff.
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etalian 2020 年 11 月 14 日 下午 8:14 

As a straight class I prefer a paladin because they have more spell slots then a fighter, they can smite when you need it (and few enemies enjoy radiant damage) and their channel divinity is nothing to sneeze at either. Their class abilities and Oath abilities are powerful and buff others in the party often as well. Paladins really are team players.

Plus Paladins seems to survive better due the whole better saving throws vs fighters when getting hit by spells. This comes along with having a decent line-up of cleric style skills.
Orbital Drop Spicy Taco 2020 年 11 月 14 日 下午 9:53 
Not in this game, but from my d&d 5e trpg experience, best OP = openhand monk. Anyone who played 5e trpg would agree with this :) Even before lvl 10 it is powerful. After lvl 17 + haste, openhand monk really feels like a cheating character, too strong.

Just a side story. :)
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Orbital Drop Spicy Taco 2020 年 11 月 14 日 下午 9:56 
Plus, I wish Vengence Oath Paladin in this game. Awesome Paladin. Too bad Solasta doesn't acquired PHB license.
Vic20 2020 年 11 月 15 日 上午 4:34 
引用自 Turbulent
Not in this game, but from my d&d 5e trpg experience, best OP = openhand monk. Anyone who played 5e trpg would agree with this :) Even before lvl 10 it is powerful. After lvl 17 + haste, openhand monk really feels like a cheating character, too strong.

Just a side story. :)
Ooh true, I haven't even looked at 5e monks yet really. I don't think I've splashed any monk in tabletop gaming since... 3.5? That AC bonus was nuts.
Vic20 2020 年 11 月 15 日 上午 4:36 
引用自 Turbulent
Plus, I wish Vengence Oath Paladin in this game. Awesome Paladin. Too bad Solasta doesn't acquired PHB license.
They're doing a pretty good job so far despite that. Licensing is always the bane of Fun.
RJM 2020 年 11 月 15 日 上午 6:36 
引用自 Vic20
Man, I love 5e fighters. Boring you might say, but with the Spellblade subclass they added... Oh man. You could already heal yourself. Now you can cast spells too (including several lighting options). I usually build dex + dual-wield shortswords with a longbow. It's basically a multiclass fighter/rogue/cleric/mage. Take a background with proficiency in lockpicks, and good to go.

My current party is 4x level 5 fighters... 20 attacks in the first round of combat? Seems good.

To be fair, you're taking the fighter/wizard archetype and then a background that enables rogue features. Of course you're a fighter/wizard/rogue at that point. You're just missing some of the strengths that would come from going all-in on the fighter role and if you were using a point-buy system (which 5e is balanced around) then you wouldn't be able to have great stats in strength, dex, con, int and wis at the same time so you would be weak in some aspects.

I'm not denying it's a potent and versatile build. It just wouldn't be so awesome on the table that everyone picks it normally. In heavier armours you couldn't easily sneak. With a shield on you wouldn't be casting many spells unless you put your weapon away. Without a shield your lower AC means the monsters have a better chance of hitting you. Swapping a shield on or off during a fight costs your action. With low wisdom your perception to find traps would suck. Etc.
BW022 2020 年 11 月 15 日 下午 7:40 
The best class is... what every you find fun to play. Even people with strong preferences often enjoy playing different classes as a challenge, to learn, to experiment, etc. Maybe you just watched a movie and want to play a stealthy character, read a book and want to try a wizard, or read about some cool spell combination, etc. And of course, D&D is a group game and thus often what is fun to play can depend on the other player characters, the campaign, setting, etc.

I generally prefer balanced parties with an emphasis on spell casting. However, I can imagine a group of fighters half with say protection and half with ranged specialization to be pretty good. One great thing about Solasta is how balance the combats are such that you can try different styles, tactics, and combinations which work in 5e. This said, I generally prefer paladins and rangers as "fighters" as they get the multiple attacks, but have either smite, hunter's mark, or a better mix of spells to toss out. I also miss the valor bard and blade warlock as they combine full spellcasting and multiple attacks.
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