trance high elf race bonus

[Rosepirate]

Hi i'm wondering why is there is a trance bonus / what does it does ?

If you don't have 4 high elves ?

if you have 4 high elves and you only need 4 hour to sleep (what do you gain ?)

does this mean that short sleep 1 hour will give you more hp (like if you had 2 short sleep)

this would be the only thing i can see as of WHY you would want/use this

[wolschou]

As far as I can tell. You don't really use it. Just one of the things translated from the D&D ruleset with no actual impact in this instance.

[Second Batch]

You don't even get a chance to not be asleep from it. Sux

[Ommamar]

It sounds good but the implementation is not that great. How watch works is each person in the party takes a 2 hour period so you have a 75% chance that the person who is on watch isn't the person who has this ability. This is based on if there is only one person with the ability in the party.

So you would think that if you had all four people in the party with the ability it should shift that chance but it doesn't seem to, at the best you will have more people awake if an ambush occurs. Since it is only used for a long rest you don't get any benefit from a short rest with the ability. It sounds nice but I don't see it as much of a reason to play high elves or take the feat that offers the same benefit as it just isn't implemented in a way that there is any real benefit to it.

This isn't to say high elves don't have other reasons to play them but this is the weakest bonus ability they get.

[Ereghor the Enigmatic]

It doesn't work the way it's described, no. You still sleep for 8 hours regardless.

[Elwetritsch]

I assumed you would get 4 hours extra downtime compared to the 8 hour sleepers. 4 hours of extra crafting per day would add up over time. If it works that way that is.

[Ommamar]

Originally posted by Elwetritsch:

I assumed you would get 4 hours extra downtime compared to the 8 hour sleepers. 4 hours of extra crafting per day would add up over time. If it works that way that is.

All the crafting is done while preparing camp so there is no way with how the system is setup to take advantage of those 4 hours the character isn't sleeping while in camp. The only benefit is they would be awake when/if an ambush happened.

[Knyaz_Drankoii |S Team|]

I want to bring that topic back. I have create team of 4 elves, will their long rest takes only 4 hours?

[DiceWrangler]

Originally posted by Knyaz_Drankoii |S Team|:

I want to bring that topic back. I have create team of 4 elves, will their long rest takes only 4 hours?

A long rest has always required 8 hours to gain the full benefits but Elves only needed to sleep for 4 of them; they could be in a trance for the other 4.

[Cartesian Duelist]

Originally posted by Knyaz_Drankoii |S Team|:

I want to bring that topic back. I have create team of 4 elves, will their long rest takes only 4 hours?

As noted by DiceWrangler, a long rest is always 8 hours regardless of how much time is spent sleeping/in trance. What I've noticed with mixed race groups in Solasta is that when attacked during camp time, my elf was awake about 80% of the time. It's possible they're doing some sort of calculation which is weighted in favor of elves to see who is awake in these cases.

[guard65]

I am pretty sure that when you get a random encounter those with trance are never a sleep when combat starts while my Human snores like a log and wakes up the whole neighborhood.

[Balkoth]

I just completed a Lost Valley with 4 elves, barbarian, druid and 2 sorcs. I never got surprised while sleeping.

[Knyaz_Drankoii |S Team|]

Sage Advice from Wizards site[media.wizards.com], page 2:

Originally posted by SageAdvice:

Does the Trance trait allow an elf to finish a long rest in 4 hours?

If an elf meditates during a long rest (as described in the Trance trait), the elf finishes the rest after only 4 hours. A meditating elf otherwise follows all the rules for a long rest; only the duration is changed.

So it is official rules for 5e. Elves do, in fact, make long rest in 4 hours. Or, at least, have to.

[tomyjp]

> I assumed you would get 4 hours extra downtime

During 8 hours rest time, it seems Humans or Half-Elves sleep 6 hours.
And Elves trance 4 hours.

If a Half-Elf and a Sylvan-Elf craft "Potion of Healing" at the inn, the Sylvan-Elf (who has a Trance Feature) attempts a crafting four times in the party's rest time. And the Half-Elf attempts a crafting two times in the current version.
(I can see it in the log.)

I always feel that Elves craft faster than Half-Elves. Maybe they can potentially craft a potion or some other things in a super long dungeon (or maybe user made dungeons?) without the world map traveling or without rest spam.

The old and the future version of Solasta can have different rule, but these details are interesting for me.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/adventuring#LongRest
> A long rest is a period of extended downtime, at least 8 hours long, during which a character sleeps for at least 6 hours and performs no more than 2 hours of light activity, such as reading, talking, eating, or standing watch.

[Knyaz_Drankoii |S Team|]

So the point of trance is 2 more hours of crafting?

I can't expect 4 more hours of travelling with party full of elves?

[tomyjp]

Originally posted by Knyaz_Drankoii |S Team|:

4 more hours of travelling with party full of elves?

I assume they are using this rule, and they travel 8 hours a day if I remember correctly. (I haven't checked, though)

https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Movement#toc_2
> Forced March. The Travel Pace table assumes that Characters Travel for 8 hours in day. They can push on beyond that limit, at the risk of Exhaustion.
> For each additional hour of Travel beyond 8 hours, the Characters cover the distance shown in the Hour column for their pace, and each character must make a Constitution saving throw at the end of the hour.
> The DC is 10 + 1 for each hour past 8 hours. On a failed saving throw, a character suffers one level of Exhaustion (see Conditions ).

https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/kiw9xk/what_happens_in_the_other_8_hours_of_the_day/
> When characters are travelling through the wilderness, they spend 8 hours on the move and 8 hours taking their daily long rest. Pushing for more travel or not taking this rest results in exhaustion so characters would not reasonably do either of those things unless being forced to by external factors.

Originally posted by guard65:

I am pretty sure that when you get a random encounter those with trance are never a sleep when combat starts while my Human snores like a log and wakes up the whole neighborhood.

And I also encountered this experience two or (maybe) more times.
In my surprised night encounter, a High-Elf and a Sylvan-Elf are not in the sleep, but a Half-Elf and a Halfling are sleeping.