So my Ventrue Protagonist can use auspex??

[Blind Reverend]

Is this a Ventrue special of the 5th edition or a bug?

I used the option in D'Angelos second meeting to focus inside a crowded building.

[DragonByDegrees]

The Ventrue inclans in 5th are Dominate, Fortitude, and Presence.

Seems to be a bug, unless the player, a vampire for less than 3 weeks, without instruction or drinking the blood of other vampires, somehow has at least 1 dot in Auspex, Celerity, Dominate, Potence, Presence, and what might be some Fortitude. I say "at least 1" because some of the uses of these Disciplines in VtM:CoNY involve things with a Rouse Check, meaning at least 2 dots. Willing the blood to outrun an opponent? Celerity 2: Fleetness. Willing the blood to throw a dumpster? Potence 2: Prowess.

I vaguely remember some chatter between shadowy figures in the Brujah prologue, one of which was the Brujah sire (iirc) who was Gen 9, making the Brujah PC Gen 10. Even if we go with the 35 EXP from that on page 137 of the v5 Core rulebook, which IS enough to buy all of those at level 1 including out-of-clan costs (so 7 per dot, not 5), you would still need to taste the blood of other vampires in order to be able to spend EXP on those out-of-clan Disciplines.

I can tell you for certain that my Brujah hasn't knowingly tasted ANY vampire blood after being turned, and I've had options for 5 different Disciplines. If this is meant as an introduction to v5, there are going to be some disappointed new players or some PCs who quickly wind up Blood Bound trying to "unlock" all these different Disciplines, unless they take the Unbondable Merit.

So either this is a bug that should've been caught before release, or this is intentional and just... not true to the spirit of VtM. :/

[Crimson Acid]

My Toreador had access to Dominate in a couple of scenes, so the disciplines seem to be bugged and available to all characters, at least in certain moments of the game.

[faebinder]

So why cant a Ventrue have learned auspix over time? Sure its an out of class discipline. Heck if i was one i'd want to know whose sneaking on me.

[DragonByDegrees]

Originally posted by faebinder:

So why cant a Ventrue have learned auspix over time? Sure its an out of class discipline. Heck if i was one i'd want to know whose sneaking on me.

They totally can, and it's an incredibly useful Discipline even at 1 dot (specifically Sense the Unseen, which lets you see invisible vampires and ghosts and stuff) it's just that the PC is less than 3 weeks old, won't develop it naturally due to being a Ventrue (and not, say, a Malkavian or Toreador or Tremere), hasn't (in my game at least, which I completed) EVER fed on a vampire who knows it and thus satisfied the prereq to even be able to buy it with EXP, and hasn't (in my game at least) had even a single conversation where an NPC goes "so here's how to sharpen your senses" other than "will blood to make powers work" which is so vague as to not be useful, because you can will as much as you want, but you won't be able to use powers you don't have yet.

There might be a predator type or Merit that gives a dot in Auspex (there probably is, but I haven't slept since launch and I'm tired), but even if there is... we didn't choose one, and it still wouldn't explain the PC having access to all those other Disciplines as well.

What I'm getting at is, it's possible to DO but the PC hasn't done the things you need to do to get it.

[Brometheus]

In the Toreador clan line, (I haven't played the others yet as I'm working on each clan in their entirety) you don't know who your sire or what clan they are. So it makes sense that you'd have other powers outside the clan since you're just adopted in vs being blood born into the clan.

[Ryvi]

The sandman predator type gives either Obfuscate or Auspex in V5. Hmm maybe it's really just bugged instead 'dumbed down'. I'll hold off on buying it until there were a few patches at least.

[DragonByDegrees]

Originally posted by Tree:

The sandman predator type gives either Obfuscate or Auspex in V5. Hmm maybe it's really just bugged instead 'dumbed down'. I'll hold off on buying it until there were a few patches at least.

Good catch! Like I said, I'd been up for awhile at that point. ;) Still, even with Predator Types, having that power spread that early into their unlife is extremely unlikely due to how Disciplines work.

@Steve Stevelysen

Yeah, if your Sire is of an unknown clan, it does make sense that you might have different in-clans, or even no set in-clans (Caitiff). I've only done the Brujah path.

At that point, are you really even picking a Toreador, though?

[VampXGamer]

Its only been a few days/weeks, and really your characters don't seem to learn much other then politics, so that idea they just 'learned' other diciplines seems a bit farfetched. As far as sires go, Sophie is pretty fail. What a few lines of actual teaching, then a pat on the back and sent out in the world?

Yeah, your character was never going to learn much about powers and such, at least without diablarie.

[melkathi]

Originally posted by Blacksad:

My Toreador had access to Dominate in a couple of scenes, so the disciplines seem to be bugged and available to all characters, at least in certain moments of the game.

And in one scene you can accidentaly get access to Potence :)

[DCid]

The game seems to skip certain events and jumps straight to the ending sequence for me.

So. I would also say the game is horribly bugged.

What Gen is the Venty PC anyway? I didnt bother reading the entire prologue.

[Psyringe]

Originally posted by DCid:

What Gen is the Venty PC anyway? I didnt bother reading the entire prologue.

10th. It never seems to play a role in the game, but in the prologue, a certain person says to your future sire: "My sire was 9th generation, as you are."