companion

[GuestMaster2]

how do you lvl your companion up because it stop at 15 cant go higher

[Baron Von Boom]

Escrito originalmente por mike_hanna211:

Escrito originalmente por BoomBox:

Of course it is relevant to each race/class but when factoring in the cost to upgrade said companions its just not worth it unless like i said your swimming in AD.

From the wiki:

White quality pets have a max rank of 15 (Costs 300,000 Astral Diamonds or 30 Companion Upgrade Token to upgrade White to Green)

Green quality pets have a max rank of 20 (Costs 500,000 Astral Diamonds or 60 Companion Upgrade Token to upgrade Green to Blue)

Blue quality pets have a max rank of 25 (Costs 750,000 Astral Diamonds or 90 Companion Upgrade Token to upgrade Blue to Purple)

So in total it will cost you 1.5mil AD to level a white companion to max, so when you can get epics from the AH for 600k it just isnt cost effective.

That 1.5mil can also be transfered into zen if need be & even at max exchange rate of 500 your going to be getting 3000 zen +/- which is enough to get any epic companion from the zen store & still have change.

I think you misunderstand; cost is not the same as worth. For me, spending 600K AD on the AH for a companion that does nothing for me, is NOT worth it. I can take that 600K AD and upgrade 2 white companions, to green rank, that actually DO something for me.

So to me cost does not equate to worth in this game. I think the developers didn't anticipate the fact that most people want instant gratification. So, they want all purple pets for the cheap when purple pets should be aquired by players that are doing epic level questing.

And the epic pets on the Zen Store really suck for a GWF stats-wise. The pets I look for give bonuses to CS, ArPen, and Power. Augment companions would be a wise choice as an active companion.

Mike if you clearly read I say of course its relevant to each class....

What you failed to pick up from it though is the fact that for the cost of upgrading your companion I was highlighting that you can get a better one statisticly.
You may want a an epic companion that grants you 150+ power for a build for example & spend your 1.5mil to upgrade it meanwhile you could buy a 700k rare from the wondrous that grants 190+ power.

I would never suggest to simply buy something for its value just because it is cheaper, your missing the whole point completely. Im just showing you that for the stats that you need you can purchase a companion with those stats & it would still work out cheaper than upgrading it.

The 600k or thereabouts epics on the AH may not suit all & are just being used as an example but you could go through the whole list & find some for + that amount with equal or better stats then you require & still save money/AD. As i also highlighted you could also purchase from the zen store.

Its obvioulsy all cost related in a value for money sense so if you feel that you can get better value from upgrading your companions than anything for sale on the AH/Zen or events then obviously go for it.
All im saying is that overall it is worth checking those stats & available companions as for quite some time its been obvious the upgrade companion cost is out of line with real companion pricing.

Be savy shoppers is all..

Edit - Added the cost/+stat ratio for you Mike:)

To upgrade a base white companion is 300K AD giving you a stat increase of x4 so from your base +25 its now +75/100 I think.

For 0 AD you could slot 4 of those companions & give you the same +stat boost & it would cost just 8 gold, no ad out at all.
If you factor in that you could then buy a R7 enchant granting a +185 stat increase on top of that your still looking at +285+/- for 100k comparitive to your 300k.

Its just not viable Mike

[mike_hanna211]

Just wondering, if it's relevant to each class, why get a pet from the AH (even if said pet is cheaper than upgrading a useful pet) just because it's a higher rank? That was my point.

If you plan on throwing R7+ enchants on your pet's rune slots, then this is all a moot point. Just keep white ranked pets (with no AD cost as you pointed out) and throw R7+ or Epic enchants on them and Epic tier equipment on them. Problem solved.

[Baron Von Boom]

Escrito originalmente por mike_hanna211:

Just wondering, if it's relevant to each class, why get a pet from the AH (even if said pet is cheaper than upgrading a useful pet) just because it's a higher rank? That was my point.

Higher rank pets will have higher stats,abilities & unlock most if not all of their rune/equip slots, epics have a level 30 ability that only unlock on max level & your kind of asking if I can buy a Porsche for cheaper than my Ford why would I? Which answers itself I would think....

Escrito originalmente por mike_hanna211:

If you plan on throwing R7+ enchants on your pet's rune slots, then this is all a moot point. Just keep white ranked pets (with no AD cost as you pointed out) and throw R7+ or Epic enchants on them and Epic tier equipment on them. Problem solved.

I wasnt even talking about runestones as only the Ioun stone (& its other varients) companion directly buffs your character with the stats from equipped items, I was talking an actual enchant for your characters equipment & highlighting how for the AD you had spent (300k) I could get 3 times the stat+ from a 1/3 (100k) of the outlay, considering this thread is about companions & their value/cost efficiency I think your missing the point.

As for runestones on a companion they are even cheaper at roughly 15k+/- AD for an R7, they increase the companions stats not yours unless as like mentioned its an Ioun Stone.

The Ioun Stone is by far the best companion available for buffing your own stats & available at about 600k AD which when taken into acoount that when properly equipped can buff your stats by 1000+ is the best companion by far.

I dont know how many times I need to go over this to highlight how inefficient upgrading companions is, in the simplest of terms its very basic math....

5 Oranges for 300$ or 5 Oranges for $100?

[mike_hanna211]

Escrito originalmente por BoomBox:

Escrito originalmente por mike_hanna211:

Just wondering, if it's relevant to each class, why get a pet from the AH (even if said pet is cheaper than upgrading a useful pet) just because it's a higher rank? That was my point.

Higher rank pets will have higher stats,abilities & unlock most if not all of their rune/equip slots, epics have a level 30 ability that only unlock on max level & your kind of asking if I can buy a Porsche for cheaper than my Ford why would I? Which answers itself I would think....

Escrito originalmente por mike_hanna211:

If you plan on throwing R7+ enchants on your pet's rune slots, then this is all a moot point. Just keep white ranked pets (with no AD cost as you pointed out) and throw R7+ or Epic enchants on them and Epic tier equipment on them. Problem solved.

I wasnt even talking about runestones as only the Ioun stone (& its other varients) companion directly buffs your character with the stats from equipped items, I was talking an actual enchant for your characters equipment & highlighting how for the AD you had spent (300k) I could get 3 times the stat+ from a 1/3 (100k) of the outlay, considering this thread is about companions & their value/cost efficiency I think your missing the point.

As for runestones on a companion they are even cheaper at roughly 15k+/- AD for an R7, they increase the companions stats not yours unless as like mentioned its an Ioun Stone.

The Ioun Stone is by far the best companion available for buffing your own stats & available at about 600k AD which when taken into acoount that when properly equipped can buff your stats by 1000+ is the best companion by far.

I dont know how many times I need to go over this to highlight how inefficient upgrading companions is, in the simplest of terms its very basic math....

5 Oranges for 300$ or 5 Oranges for $100?

If I've always like Fords, I would buy a Ford over a Porsche. That's more of a preference so it's not really a good analogy.

I actually wasn't originally talking about runestones; I was trying to say that a companion's ACTIVE BONUS should be something you look at when picking them. Everything else should be secondary. Ioun Stones and the Cat are augments and you get all their stats added to yours. So they are the only exceptions to this.

I still don't see the value in getting an epic companion that has an ACTIVE BONUS that is situational at best; the Panther epic companion does +10% damage to prone targets. Ok, as a GWF, I have like 2 or 3 abilites that can potentially make a target prone. I wouldn't waste an AD on this companion if it's on the AH (probably not as it's the companion you get from the Hero of the North pack, but just as an example). And almost all epic companions have lame active bonuses that are situational at best.

5 nice, juicy oranges for $300 or 5 rotten oranges for $100? You pick...

[Baron Von Boom]

Escrito originalmente por mike_hanna211:

If I've always like Fords, I would buy a Ford over a Porsche. That's more of a preference so it's not really a good analogy.
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Indeed it is Mike but case in hand being we are discussing BHP & not chassis colour...

Escrito originalmente por mike_hanna211:

I actually wasn't originally talking about runestones; I was trying to say that a companion's ACTIVE BONUS should be something you look at when picking them. Everything else should be secondary. Ioun Stones and the Cat are augments and you get all their stats added to yours. So they are the only exceptions to this.

What do you think this discussion has been about?
Do you think the whole time I have NOT been talking about the ACTIVE BONUS? What else is there on a standard companion? The abilities on most if not all companions are utter trash so if you think ive been defending a companions random ability then your sorely mistaken.

This whole long winded debate has entirely been based on the fact im telling you that for your 300k AD investment to increase your companions stats from 25>100 isnt cost effective when taking the costs of not only other companions into account but what is available with that AD variance.

The Ioun Stone ( & varient/cat included ) are the best companions you can get imo & rightly so should sit at your No1 spot in your companion list, all others are secondary but by investing your AD carefully in the right companions it can make a HUGE AD difference.

Nobody has said for anyone to go out & buy any old random companion "just because" but for the mere reason that I can get the stats you want for cheaper than upgrading ( as shown by your 300K AD to ZERO AD outlay for +100 )

As noted by others this all stands UNLESS your swimming in AD & then it is clearly a non issue.

You want Apples instead or Oranges we get it, but I showed you in a previous post how to get your Apples for ZERO AD & for some reason thats not enough?
I cant do anymore than show you (which I have) that you (unless mega rich) wasted that 300k.

Post your companions & costs if you want & I can go check in game like for like costs etc..