Important fix for Stuttering and crashes in 2.11: Turn your power management to balanced

[🏳️‍⚧️Catgirl Zoe UwU]

Go to your windows control panel and under Power options change your plan to balanced. then go to your Nvidia Controls and set power management under global 3d settings to normal. this resolved all my issues which I was plagued with yesterday. I Gained extra performance after implementing this solution

[Hyperseg]

this worked for me. I was using ultimate performance setting.

[White ⁧⁧Wolf]

Wait what, why would this improve performance? Another Cyberbug 2077?

[Phynrae]

This has only been a partial fix for me.

It removes most stuttering in the gameworld, but it's still there in all the game's menu's, be it when viewing the map, your inventory, or doing the hacking minigame, the game still stutters so violently that the audio cuts out (and my FPS counter is bouncing around between 40 and 62 FPS, despite being Vsynced to 60. It will retain astable 60 durring gameplay, but a 2D menu screen is too much to render? That doesen't add up).

[Wh1teReaper]

I wonder if this is safe to do?

[SiEgE]

Originally posted by Wh1teReaper:

I wonder if this is safe to do?

Setting power management to "always high performance" or whatever it is called, was always frowned upon by Nvidia. They always discouraged people from fiddling with the power management. You should never change it unless you know exactly why you need to change that setting.

[catch22atplay]

Originally posted by Ꝡꜧꭵtꬲ Ꝡꭴꝇꝭ:

Wait what, why would this improve performance? Another Cyberbug 2077?

It's called they're overheating cpu and or gpu. My bet would be the cpu though. You could get better cooling for the cpu and be fine. Or just edit performance power plan. Mine looks like this. And obviously my Performance plan is edited to 100% and no core parking but Balanced which i never use is default. I5 13600kf. Note the minimum processor state and core parking for balanced means cpu has cores parked.

Power Saver (default settings)
Core parking 100% (note this mean no core parking)
Min processor state 5%
Max processor state 100% (note cpu mhz greatly decreased even at 100%)

Balanced (default settings)
Core parking 4% (note this mean 96% can be parked)
Min processor state 5%
Max processor state 100%

Performance (my modified settings)
Core parking 100% (note this means no core parking)
Min processor state 100%
Max processor state 100%

Performance or my settings for performance and no core parking should only be used with adequate cooling. A 13900, 14700 and 14900 really need a good AIO water cooling or custom loop. But ya without decent cooling go with balanced as needed. But seriously just get better cooling.

I think you overheaters would benefit more with power saving plan. It doesn't park cores but it only puts cpu at i have no idea for other cpus but for my 13600 max is 3.9ghz. Oh wait i have a slight overclock so 3.7ghz maybe otherwise.

Originally posted by Phynrae:

This has only been a partial fix for me.

It removes most stuttering in the gameworld, but it's still there in all the game's menu's, be it when viewing the map, your inventory, or doing the hacking minigame, the game still stutters so violently that the audio cuts out (and my FPS counter is bouncing around between 40 and 62 FPS, despite being Vsynced to 60. It will retain astable 60 durring gameplay, but a 2D menu screen is too much to render? That doesen't add up).

That's core parking that's causing the stuttering for you specifically in menus. Do a registry edit so you have the option to set core parking in power plan as i do. And remember 100% means 100% not Parked. Ya i know it's backwards from what it says. So dang confusing. But if you had to use balanced while playing you were overheating. So for you i'd highly suggest Power saver option for no core parking and lower cpu mhz. That may take care of gaming and menus. But dude get better cooling if that's the issue.

You all could just download "Process Lasso" and set cp2077 to disable all e-cores and disable a few P-cores as needed. It can be saved so that every time you launch the game it uses your settings. Needs to start with windows though to work unless you want to manually start lasso that's fine as well. Beats having to set affinity using task manager every single time you launch the game.

Maybe overheaters should just go into the bios and disable all e-cores and disable hyper threading to reduce heat until you get better cooling. Then enable it all and use performance power plan with no core parking once you get it sorted.

Originally posted by SiEgE:

Originally posted by Wh1teReaper:

I wonder if this is safe to do?

Setting power management to "always high performance" or whatever it is called, was always frowned upon by Nvidia. They always discouraged people from fiddling with the power management. You should never change it unless you know exactly why you need to change that setting.

There's nothing wrong with high performance if the gpu has adequate cooling. Most do but there are some that just don't. But if it was frowned upon by nvidia the option would have been removed. Nvidia still shows under their help section to enable high performance for 3d applications. It's fairly outdated though. Just use what works best. I do like the Normal setting typically. But now and then a game just needs performance. cp2077 is fine with Normal for me.

With all the issues with these hot cpus i guess i can understand why cd project red decided to try a prioritize e-cores fix. It's a way to disable e-cores and lower cpu temps. So great idea but it just isn't working as it's a stutter fest. Curious what systems they use where it actually works. Might be specific to bios settings or even certain motherboard manufacturers. But not working with my Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX rev 1.0 and I5 13600kf.

[White ⁧⁧Wolf]

Originally posted by catch22atplay:

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Yeah I know what you mean, especially i9s can eat a lot of power. Running an i9-10900K myself with a Dark Rock Pro 4 for cooling. It works fine. I am satisfied with the 10 physical cores and no E/P-core BS. I also turn HyperThreading off as it's generally better especially for playing older games at high framerates. Usually at heavy load I am somewhere in the 60s with very quiet fans, which is great for an i9.

It's generally a good idea to turn off E-cores and HT as it varies a lot if a game or application runs well with them.

[catch22atplay]

Originally posted by Ꝡꜧꭵtꬲ Ꝡꭴꝇꝭ:

Originally posted by catch22atplay:

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Yeah I know what you mean, especially i9s can eat a lot of power. Running an i9-10900K myself with a Dark Rock Pro 4 for cooling. It works fine. I am satisfied with the 10 physical cores and no E/P-core BS. I also turn HyperThreading off as it's generally better especially for playing older games at high framerates. Usually at heavy load I am somewhere in the 60s with very quiet fans, which is great for an i9.

It's generally a good idea to turn off E-cores and HT as it varies a lot if a game or application runs well with them.

Let me preface this so i don't confuse people. I don't play high framerate shooters so i limit fps to 144fps max and typically 60fps Vsync. And i have more than adequate cooling using my old NXT AIO until i finish my custom EK/Corsair/bits water cooling setup. And i'm only using a 13600 which is a lot cooler then these 8 p-cores+e-cores cpus. Note that my AIO is what i was using for my 13yo i7 2600k cpu that i swapped out last month.

Personally i've always had best results with hyperthreading enabled and all e-cores enabled. Either in benchmarks or in games. And i'm pretty thorough in my testing. cpu stress test my cpu will not get close to throttling. Also helps having a good PSU. Seasonic Vertex 1000 that has the transient spike fix.

So just took the pic below. Even with the cpu stress test for 100% cpu usage the game runs mostly smooth. Sure it stutters ever so slightly when running or racing around Dogtown on my bike as it should with cpu at 100%. Surprising how minimal the stuttering is doing this test. And for an old and incompatible NXT AIO cpu temps being max 70C and gpu which is using default cooling only 57C is quite good. I'm shocked how well the AIO works and gigabytes cooling as well. Bought an EK water block for the gpu so may have wasted money buying that. But eventually i'll finish my water cooling setup.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3160266615

[White ⁧⁧Wolf]

Originally posted by catch22atplay:

Let me preface this so i don't confuse people. I don't play high framerate shooters so i limit fps to 144fps max and typically 60fps Vsync. And i have more than adequate cooling using my old NXT AIO until i finish my custom EK/Corsair/bits water cooling setup. And i'm only using a 13600 which is a lot cooler then these 8 p-cores+e-cores cpus. Note that my AIO is what i was using for my 13yo i7 2600k cpu that i swapped out last month.

Personally i've always had best results with hyperthreading enabled and all e-cores enabled. Either in benchmarks or in games. And i'm pretty thorough in my testing. cpu stress test my cpu will not get close to throttling. Also helps having a good PSU. Seasonic Vertex 1000 that has the transient spike fix.

So just took the pic below. Even with the cpu stress test for 100% cpu usage the game still runs butter smooth. And for an old and incompatible NXT AIO cpu temps being max 70C and gpu which is using default cooling only 57C is quite good. I'm shocked how well the AIO works and gigabytes cooling as well. Bought an EK water block for the gpu so may have wasted money buying that. But eventually i'll finish my water cooling setup.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3160266615

That looks good! Quite good framerate too for that area.

HT and E-cores off is more for compatibility with most titles - especially older ones. I tend to play a lot of games including many from the early 2000s. Turning HT off will also shave off a bit of the temp, and same thing with the E-cores. Some newer games do see performance gains with them ON, but I wonder if the 1% lows etc are also improved.

[catch22atplay]

I agree with you. Not sure about the 1% lows. For me lately i swear it's the nvidia drivers really messing things up. Just running the benchmark at 60fps Vsync ON for example mins would be in the 30s. The latest 551.23 drivers lows in the 50s. Yet the driver they say has all sorts of stuttering issues. I think it's their best in a few months.

We all run such different gear. What works for me may have opposite effect on someone else. I can't Enable HPET or i lose 75% fps and stutter like mad. And it should be enabled especially for these newer cpus. I still can't figure this one out and i'm pretty good with computers.

[Phynrae]

Originally posted by catch22atplay:

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I doubt it's my cooling.

I've owned this game since launch, and it's never been an issue untill this patch. Worked fine with 1.6, 2.0, 2.1, and suddenly now it's framedrop city with 2.11 and we have to switch our power settings. It's also not a problem with any other game i'm playing.

If my CPU-cooler was on the fritz, or if it were junk, i should be seeing problems across the board, and i should have seen them in this very game before now aswell.

It could be cooling related, but in that case, it's this patch doing something it really shoulden't be.


On the upside, i tried resetting my "Balanced" power setting default values, and it actually works now, even in menu's. Not sure what setting it was so displeased with before, but i guess i'm stuck with this on vanilla settings untill CDPR fixes whatever they broke.

[Dwayne]

Nvidia power was already set to Normal. I just changed Windows power from High to Balanced. Seems to work? What the hell even... ? Thanks a lot.