Smart guns SUCK

[Ciaran Zagami]

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Why?

They can't shoot round corners like they can in lore so whats the point?
They do worse damage and have a worse DPS than "power" guns.

Then there's the OP hot mess that is Tech guns that can shoot through ANY wall AND give you health back on hit

So why should I run smart guns? Just for a challenge????

[egg fu]

you can definitely shoot it around corners, you need to make sure you're locked in when aiming at an enemy. smart guns got a nerf in a recent patch i think, their range is worse now.

[Kuja Feralus]

I feel like for shooting around corners and cover, the targeting box would need to be a bit wider and taller for a lot of smart guns, or the lock should be maintained for longer after an enemy leaves the box. A lot of the targeting boxes seem a bit too small to angle the barrel to curve the shots around cover.

[Ciaran Zagami]

Originally posted by Kuja Feralus:

I feel like for shooting around corners and cover, the targeting box would need to be a bit wider and taller for a lot of smart guns, or the lock should be maintained for longer after an enemy leaves the box. A lot of the targeting boxes seem a bit too small to angle the barrel to curve the shots around cover.

The barrel doesn't get angled Smart guns fire "smart bullets" that are basically guided missiles.
Of course in game they use generic pistol ammo but thats the lore for how they work

I do agree the game balanace would need to be changed though, as it stands Smart Guns feel like they're meant for controller users

[Kuja Feralus]

Originally posted by Ciaran Zagami:

Originally posted by Kuja Feralus:

I feel like for shooting around corners and cover, the targeting box would need to be a bit wider and taller for a lot of smart guns, or the lock should be maintained for longer after an enemy leaves the box. A lot of the targeting boxes seem a bit too small to angle the barrel to curve the shots around cover.

The barrel doesn't get angled Smart guns fire "smart bullets" that are basically guided missiles.
Of course in game they use generic pistol ammo but thats the lore for how they work

I do agree the game balanace would need to be changed though, as it stands Smart Guns feel like they're meant for controller users

I mean you have to manually angle your point of aim opposite to the cover so the bullet has enough room to "turn" around it, if you're too head-on the "smart" bullet will just jam itself into the wall or barrier.

[Tokenn]

I have become disenchanted with Smart weapons. Even Skippy no longer charms...I put him in Psycho Killer mode right away and give him back to his owner when he flips modes. Some Smart guns will operate 'Smartly' without a Cyberlink hand mod...those are the ones I keep and use if I find them.

Every type of weapon in this game require some use and study to really understand.

[Gaslov]

I'm mowing down hordes of enemies with my sidewinder no problem (only playing on hard difficulty though).

[Tokenn]

Originally posted by Gaslov:

I'm mowing down hordes of enemies with my sidewinder no problem (only playing on hard difficulty though).

If you have a Legendary quickhack installed, all your weapons become extremely powerful. There are very strange variations in weapon power in this game...I've had high DPS silenced pistols that were nearly useless, while at other times they take out enemies with a single headshot. Sometimes Smart weapons really work...other times they seem weak. It must be a combination of Perks and levels that isn't obvious.

[Gaslov]

Originally posted by Tokenn:

Originally posted by Gaslov:

I'm mowing down hordes of enemies with my sidewinder no problem (only playing on hard difficulty though).

If you have a Legendary quickhack installed, all your weapons become extremely powerful. There are very strange variations in weapon power in this game...I've had high DPS silenced pistols that were nearly useless, while at other times they take out enemies with a single headshot. Sometimes Smart weapons really work...other times they seem weak. It must be a combination of Perks and levels that isn't obvious.

If you aim slightly high you'll get a lot of headshots. I'm not using any quick hacks, just run and gunning. I have 10 athletics, 12 reflex, 12 technical, 3 for the other two.

[BBeck]

I like smart guns because aiming with a controller is pretty "iffy". I've always hated that about games. I liked that Fallout would pretty much freeze time and let you just tell it what you were aiming at. The biggest problem about aiming with a controller is when you're overwhelmed by a whole lot of enemies at once or anything that really forces you to have precise aim immediately.

You have to make sure you have the smart link cyberware to actually use them. But once you've got that they shoot around corners and just make it a whole lot easier to hit with every shot.

As one poster said, every gun is different and that's especially true for smart and tech weapons. So, it depends quite a bit on which smart gun you're talking about. But I've got a smart sub-gun that I can unload a magazine into someone and it will keep hitting them even when they dodge behind something most of the time.

My favorite is Ashura. It only holds and fires one bullet, but dang does it hit hard from way far away. The only downside is the enemies seem to be able to shoot you from the other side of the city with the weakest pistol. They don't seem to have any range limits unlike you. You would think when they're so far away that you can barely see them that you have the sniper advantage. Don't be surprised when someone with a pistol starts filling you full of lead even though they're barely visible. But if you take cover, they miss alot. So Ashura's still worth it if you can't get up close and personal to spray them with a sub-gun.

[Lucus]

Originally posted by Tokenn:

If you have a Legendary quickhack installed, all your weapons become extremely powerful. There are very strange variations in weapon power in this game...I've had high DPS silenced pistols that were nearly useless, while at other times they take out enemies with a single headshot. Sometimes Smart weapons really work...other times they seem weak. It must be a combination of Perks and levels that isn't obvious.

Silenced Pistol OHK rely on you using revolvers as the DPS doesn't matter for OHK what matters is the damage per shot which revolvers are best at in the pistol category. you should also take "silent and deadly" perk and the "trajectory analysis" cyberware mod for optics.

personally i don't see the appeal of smart weapons, tech weapons can shoot through walls and you can boost the damage way higher with the right perks.

[Ez Duzit]

Smart guns are awesome but there's only a few that are actually worth having/using. And with the right smart gun it'll be at least as deadly as any machine-gun in the game but probably even more so. The Prototype Shingen Mark V is a legendary variant of the TKI-20 Shingen and fires freaking exploding rounds! It's the best smart gun in the game and will destroy groups of enemies really fast. Get it at the warehouse where you go to hack the float that Hanako will be on. It's in a shipping container (#667), and the container is actually located just outside the warehouse. Beware the guards.

And then there's Skippy which is pretty fun for awhile and also shreds enemies. If you like Skippy you might want to try the Genjiroh pistol (upgraded version of an HJKE-11 Yukimura), which is essentially Skippy without the talking. Yes please.

And then there's the L-69 Zhuo. Just a freaking beast of a smart shotgun . Once you get the epic or legendary spec, it's the only gun you'll ever need for medium or close combat.

I've used most of the guns in 1000+ hours and a few different playthru's and smart guns actually make the game too easy and the right ones are some of the most deadly in the game. Of course tech guns shoot thru walls and power guns can ricochet bullets so they all have some special sauce. But the right smart guns just mow down the baddies like it's nuthin. Aiming is over-rated

[Kuja Feralus]

If they ever do New-Game Plus, there's a lot of end-game and post-game exclusive weapons that would be very effective even if enemies scale up above level 50 in NG+, like a particular iconic variant of Zhuo smart shotgun you can get after beating the game and loading the complete save.