Dex (Big spoilers)

[id795078477]

Could someone please explain me why Dex kills V? What is the logic and where's the benefit behind it?

-- He couldn't hope that Arasaka won't find him. He even told that anyone even touching this case is as good as dead
-- The money wasn't on the table - not yet: before the mission he told that the transfer will happen 1-2 weeks later anyways. And even if it was about the money, he got 70% of it anyways
-- Killing one of his mercs is still a taint on his reputation. Sure, fixers are "more important" but come on, the Arasaka case is sure to be remembered forever so it's not a matter of "in time everyone will forget"
-- More importantly, he didn't even bother to hear V out. Should he be smart to realize V was a witness, not a perpetrator - he could've taken him/her alive instead of killing as a backup plan / insurance in case Arasaka finds him

I just can't get why he decides to kill V. I usually see the betrayal coming - but this one caught me off guard completely - I guess it's a good plot twist - but I can't get a handle on the motivation.

Dex can't be "just stupid" either - stupid folks won't make it even as amateur fixers - lest to say as big shots. It just doesn't make sense - especially given how he tells V "sorry, I chose the slow life".

So, what gives?

[Silverbane7]

If you choose 'we gota skip town' (I think that's it) rather than yelling at him about how its his fault, he says
"We? WE!?"
On the table behind him is a shard about the crystal palace.
After he gets mad, talks about the 'Saka ninja's he's talking more to himself than V
"New face, new identity.... But first...."

There are hints too.
V can say to Jackie
"Don't get me started about Fixers. They catch a client, grab the cheapest gonk to do the job, then drop their corpse in a landfill"
And Dex says he's 'not going to leave a trace'

I've wondered sometimes... Was Dex going to ghost V and Jackie all along? What about T-Bug? She was planning to retire from Netrunning, so her 'vanishing' wouldn't be a big deal, she was gona 'cut ties' so no one would even know.

Dex was cleaning house.
We told him Jackie was dead. He probably knew T-Bug was gone. And depending on if we said 'no such luck' when asked about the biochip, he probably thought he could get away if there was nothing and no one left but him.
(And yes....that probably means he shot Oleg, his muscle and dumped HIM at some other landfill before Takemura caught up with him. Because he was another loose end that could tell on him)

He probably lost his edge, 2 years before in the turf war over in Pacifica. T-Bug helped him out there (how they met) but he had to lie low. Dex had talent back before, but I think he lost it.
Hell, he might even have been planning to just grab the eddies from the client and tell her he'd paid us (V and co) while having already ghosted the lot of us (if things had gone better I mean) maybe that's why he was happy to give us extra (for V telling him Evelyn wanted to cut him out of the deal) 40% of zero is zero lol.
Gota remember the rule in NC.

Do it to them, before they do it to you.
Do it to them, then split.
Do it to them, but don't get caught.
Trust no one, keep your weapon handy.
Do it to them first, then do it again somewhere else (lol)

[id795078477]

Originally posted by Silverbane7:

He probably lost his edge, 2 years before in the turf war over in Pacifica. T-Bug helped him out there (how they met) but he had to lie low. Dex had talent back before, but I think he lost it.
Hell, he might even have been planning to just grab the eddies from the client and tell her he'd paid us (V and co) while having already ghosted the lot of us (if things had gone better I mean) maybe that's why he was happy to give us extra (for V telling him Evelyn wanted to cut him out of the deal) 40% of zero is zero lol.
Gota remember the rule in NC.

So to sum it up - you think it's a combination of being stupid and aiming for the "quick end of the game" from the beginning? I.e. he wasn't planning on staying in NC as a fixer and instead just retire? Well.. money come, money go. The payout from the Heist couldn't possibly be that huge to warrant such action (we never know though).

So I guess your opinion is that on his part it's more of a "short-sighted type of stupid who thought the game is under his control because he only saw 1 move ahead and planned for only that 1 move". Not implausible, of course - but still - people talk. And it wouldn't be a clean move on his part either. V and Jackie got folks behind them too. Valentinos for Jackie, for V it depends - but pissing off Padre (Street kid) would've not be very smart. Eh, whatever.

[Sentient_Toaster]

He's panicking.

Smart thing would have been to bug out without even going to the No-Tell Motel. Multiple witnesses probably could link V to Dex even if V were already a corpse.

[Silverbane7]

Wouldn't say stupid, just greedy perhaps.
Maybe I'm reading too much into things.

Maybe its just all these little things piling up to make me think it.
(Like if you choose "you're ether somebody, or you fizzle out. NightCity don't let you choose." when answering him in the car. He says that HE can choose, and while most of the time he is mr chill, mess with him and they get the beast)

Also, Evelyn says that 'he didn't know you, but picked you for this job'.
Jackie says "my face is old news" meaning he's a known quantity around town.
Get the feeling Dex is taking advantage of the fact V and co are small time, fresh meat as it were, just now being trusted enough by people like Wakako and Padre.

Its taken 6months of work between V and Jackie (with Bug helping) to get to the point where Wakako and Padre are wiling to give their team the better jobs.
(I'm wondering if there is a hidden 'Fixer Net' website/BBS that they all use to talk about us lol. Any Fixer worth their pay is able to o in an see detes about up and coming talent. Course Streetkid V's old friend Kirk isn't allowed in I bet. He's just a wannabe Fixer heh heh)

And yeah, Sentient_Toaster is also right.
Dex is bricking it. Possibly close to wetting himself in terror at the prospect of Arasaka coming for him.
He likely hasn't been this scared since Pacifica.
Fixers don't usually see this kind of danger level. That's the point for some folks, of being a Fixer.
You get to be paid fat stacks of eddies and just do a bit of talking, planning and networking. The dirty work gets done by the people you hire.

[id795078477]

Originally posted by Silverbane7:

Dex is bricking it. Possibly close to wetting himself in terror at the prospect of Arasaka coming for him.
He likely hasn't been this scared since Pacifica.
Fixers don't usually see this kind of danger level. That's the point for some folks, of being a Fixer.
You get to be paid fat stacks of eddies and just do a bit of talking, planning and networking. The dirty work gets done by the people you hire.

A mistake, then? Made because he just lost his cool? Plausible of course - but I don't think fixers are like that. Not the good ones at least. All top fixers in NC went through the "dirty work" phase in their early years. That's how they got to know the field, that's how they learned the game, that's how they grew their crews and contacts. And that's how they've proven to the city that they're worth their salt and can be trusted. As I understand this is the one and only reason "why" fixers are the rulemakers and mercs are the ruletakers.

Dex - well, his wiki page tells he didn't go through the "dirty job" phase so you might be right on that. Though the question of how he became such a big time fixer then still remains. But then there's kind of .. no solid reason for V to die. It's just a stupid "some punk was too scared and waived a gun at me". If that's the true reason - jeez, that feels bad.

[Silverbane7]

Originally posted by Anoi Hidalgo:

V was a loose end i think, couldve been kidnapped by Arasaka and forced to give information

More likely scared old uncle Arasaka would hit V with Soulkiller, then rip the detes from V's engram and come after him.
If he'd made it to the orbitals then he'd be away from them. Probably HIS personal Plan B
(Tho I think he's made more than one too many bad decisions since Pacifica. Maybe when he said "some brothers from Pacifica got back to me" he meant they own his fat gold plated arse.)

[Vault Traveler]

Dex lost his cool, oh and his life.

[EricHVela]

Viktor explains that Dex made a series of bad decisions at his end, and in an earlier conversation, V can be told that Dex is a known quantity not known for being "chill".

[asnjas19]

Right before the heist starts, dex asks if there was anything else to report on v's meeting with Evelyn. Dex gives a suspicious tone when you don't tell him about Evelyn's suggestion to leave him out.

Vic also warns you about dex and vic was the most stand up guy in the whole game.

I don't think dex or eve were ever on your side.

[valium]

Yeah, Vik warns you that Dex isnt as chill as he pretends to be. Dex knew how dangerous it was to have Arasaka actually pay attention to you, which is what happened when the gig went bad and Arasaka immediately went into action. Hell, Takamura immediately caught him, which means Dex was absolutely correct to worry as much as he did.

I think both Dex and Ev were always supposed to screw you over, like you saw in the earlier trailers with Dex and Tbug turning on you, and then Ev trying to talk you into stabbing Dex in the back, so both choices would have you left for dead and needing to start over from scratch.