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I haven't been downloaded/killed, kept in a data prison, edited & put on a chip
How do brains decide what they want their 'owner' to do? XD *risk of derailing topic thread imminent!*
We are Analogue but he is Digital.
And nether Johnny actually placed the bomb.
Digital Johnny 'remembers' doing it because Arasaka (probably) made him that way.
Analogue (flesh) Johnny never had access to a couple of nuke warheads, didn't plant the briefcase nuke (that was Beta Team, players of the tabletop aka US) and never made it to the rooftop, but got shot almost in half by Smasher on floor 120.
Johnny was/is a bit of an arsehole true. Digital Johnny can grow and learn, but only if you treat him right.
Enough kicks to the (digital) nutsack to break his ego up, but also enough trust and kindness and he can break the habits of a bad lifetime to be a better man.
We only know what Analogue Johnny did up to a point.
And unfortunately, the data does not always match.
The game guide says he was 'doing the whole band' but if that was true, why did Kerry try so damn hard to get him into bed back in the old days? Trips to dicke twister, stealing his pants...
There is an interview in game on the samurai net page, he talks about stuff there, him and Johnny a little.
Yet 'Rockerboy' the 2020 tabletop supplement has a similar interview where he says him and Johnny got along fine, even after they split the band (around the time Nancy went down for beating to death her abusive husband, and went to the hole)
It burns my SynBacon that they contradict themselves, both tabletop and cdpr sources.
Cdpr I understand, they do stuff because it makes for more fun in the game.
No one (but tabletop purists like me lol) wants to play a Silverhand who sits for 3 hours on a fire escape, recalibrating his hand while Rogue calls her contacts to help set up the strike on old Arasaka tower to free Alt.
Or spends 20 mins bricking it, shooting a couple of Arasaka mook guards, plants C4 around a room...then goes super gonk to get shot in half from shoulder to hip by Smasher, just to distract him enough for Shaitan to grapple him so your friends can get away.
That's boring as hell, not exactly 'heroic' and does not make for a good computer game.
But sometimes, I think even Mike forgets, and misses stuff that contradict himself.
Whatever is in that engram is anyone's guess. It doesn't seem to be good or bad, just an echo that, instead of fading, is getting louder.
And, eh, to be precise we’re biological - and biological systems use a range of techniques to transmit data/information.
Edit edit: Come to think of it, we might be a little more digital than analogue…
But, back on topic: assuming the worse case scenario that Johnny did plant the bomb and not what Arasaka did to him - morality is still a very gray area.
(Detroit: Become Human did the same thing.)
If we're to have this discussion, I also think we should stick with the assumptions made in the setting rather than discuss how dragons shouldn't be able to exist (for an analogy).
(Detroit: Become Human makes no sense if the Androids are just toasters.)
edit: More advanced, in the sense, that is contains all the information needed to reconstruct the actual person (or at least as close as possible).
He challenges family and clan life of nomads,
he challenges friendship,
he challenges making money in any way,
he challenges being a fan of music or anyone else like a great hacker or something,
he challenges the ability for art/music to convey true message of one to another,
he challenges gov't, businesses, media, military,
he challenges fashion and quality housing,
he challenges sobriety,
he challenges violence and nonviolence,
he challenges death and life,
he challenges love.
He is a monster! No institution is safe from him. I luv 'im.
But my current playthru I've tried to see things his way and be less argumentative, and he does seem more chill, the writing of this game is really best in diverse reactions I've seen, at least at times.
Still playing thru PL, but did not feel very "punk" at start. Hoping it gets better.
Also, he's not the one who bombed Arasaka Tower. That's just how he (mis-)remembers it. Yes, he was there during the Militech-lead (by Blackhand, who also had the bomb) attack. No, he had nothing to do with the bomb except maybe knowing about it. (if you ask me, it seems like someone "spliced" some of Blackhand's memories of the attack into Johnny's cos some of the stuff he "remembers" doing definitely was done by Blackhand, at least going by the current status of Cyberpunk canon, which, to me, would indicate Arasaka somehow got their hands on Blackhand, too, which would explain why no one's heard of him and why no one seems to know whether he's dead or alive in 2077).
Ahh, that makes sense. In my first playthru I remember someone saying there were two bombs stolen, I kind of thought Johnny would lead V to the other and history would repeat somehow.
It definitely looked like Arasaka used the opportunity to either fake the body count or get rid of people. But if there was a 2nd bomb then maybe the casualties came from it.
Also, when Johnny is getting Soulkiillered it looked like a second bomb went off right?
It's a set piece. The view out of the window is to show that the bomb went off.
The 'two bombs' would be 'got my hands on a couple of warheads', something he says to V after we see the ending of the 'never fade away' mission.
In the lore from the tabletop there were two nukes. One was a briefcase bomb, carried into the Towers by Beta Team (the tabletop players) while Alpha Team (Johnny and friends) were the loud obnoxious distraction that were to free Alt, blow up the lab on floor 120 and destroy Soulkiller mrk3 (mobile, able to hunt and capture more than one target at a time. Be very glad it was never finished, thanks Spider ^^)
Omega Team (Morgan Blackhand and his folks, we theorise they went in disguised as Arasaka Security, low profile) were about too.
Beta was supposed to collect the last uncorrupted database of world history left after the Old Net was ravaged by the R.A.B.I.D.S.
But things went wrong and kaBOOM.
The other nuke was sat beside the foundations of the Towers, right next to where they were building the physical entrance to Mikoshi.
It was found, along with about half of Johnny, by a firefighter full Borg (Brimstone unit) named Samantha. She was there just after the boom, trying to find survivors.
Found their nuke, an ADD (area denial device) and so she the nuke and Johnny away. Stored Johnny in the cold storage BodyBank for years till some time in 45. Buried the nuke innards out in the old bay, where it was covered by land filling in for the new rebuilt City.
Stored Johnny in the casing, packed the casing into a safety container and hired some Edgerunners to take it to her friend Angel, a disposal expert out in Los Alamos.
Course, only us players knew what was inside (we read the book lol) but it's the 2045 version of 'never fade away' the short first mission you do, to get into playing the tabletop.
Myself, when we first heard what the storyline was supposed to be (there's this immortality chip, and your character has this guy, Johnny Silverhand with them, he's your guide) I figured that the chip was going to have something to do with Soulkiller and the Net, and Alt n Johnny would get back together lol.
(There was no mention back then that the Relic was killing your character. No mention Johnny was 'dead' or a ghost. This was even before Keanu was mentioned.)
But I thought it was going to be about stopping some BigBad who wanted to use the Net to get immortality, which they would not like because back then (from Cybergenerations game) Net Immortality was a one way trip lol. You could only copy yourself into another (clone/drone) body, but YOU stayed stuck.