why couldn't V undergo full body cybernetic conversion like Lizzy Wizzy did and save herself?

[ceasarotengo]

Alt Cunningham's diagnosis of V's condition is clear: the engram is intact, but the body is failing. Full-body cybernetic conversion would address this issue by replacing the failing organic parts with cybernetic ones. This process would not only preserve V's consciousness but also provide a new, durable body capable of sustaining their engram.

Lizzy Wizzy is a pop star who underwent a full-body cybernetic conversion. Lizzy's transformation leaves her with almost no organic parts, yet she retains her consciousness and personality. This raises an important question: if Lizzy Wizzy can achieve this level of cybernetic enhancement, why couldn't V?

Lizzy's transformation demonstrates that full-body cybernetic conversion is possible and accessible to those with the right resources. Moreover, the Afterlife bar is frequented by mercenaries who have undergone similar transformations, further proving that this technology is not exclusive to the elite. If V had access to the same technology, their physical deterioration could have been circumvented, allowing them to survive.
Given that V is a skilled mercenary with connections in Night City, it's plausible that they could have accessed the necessary resources for such a transformation. The game's narrative even hints at this possibility through the existence of characters like Lizzy Wizzy and the chromed-out mercenaries in the Afterlife. If these individuals can achieve full-body conversion, there's no reason why V couldn't have pursued the same path.

[galadon3]

Well the point is MOST of the body is replaced, afaik even in 2077 the central parts of the brain are still biological (keep in mind the technology to copy an engram is a closely guarded Arasaka-secret) and thanks to the normally fatal wound courtesy of dexters backstabbing and the relics reaction to it, disentangeling the relic and Vs brain would be fatal.

[EricHVela]

Lizzy Wizzy has issues as do all who overchrome themselves. This is exposed in a sidequest.

It's not a good solution.

The issue is not the body.

Main story spoiler from different playthroughs: It's the brain that's the problem. Victor, Alt, the Arasaka doctors all say the same thing.

What brain will V inhabit? There seemed to be only two Relics capable of overwriting a brain, Johnny's and Saburo's. There's no brain out there for V.

[Silverbane7]

Afaik the brain and often a chunk of spine are required to become a full Borg.
These get fitted ether into the frame (like Lizzy) or a biopod (like Smasher and Shaiten)

It all depends on the type of frame.
The 'pretty' ones like Lizzy, the mostly human style ones, think the brain and spine go where you would expect.
The fact that Smasher had a 'covert ops' model that looked like Elvis (which he used to date Michiko Arasaka for a while) means that some of the more human looking versions might hold the biopod in the chest area, if it's a frame designed to swap in and out of.

The bigger, work models like Smashers main frames (the one from 77, and the ones you can find on the Ebunike if you get the key from finishing an ending) or the Brimstone (firefighter) or Copernicus (space flight) have the ability to swap them about.

But a full Borg can still get sick. If any form of late stage cancer of the spinal or brain tissue happens... They are toast.

And that is likely the reason V could not just convert to Borg.
Their brain is rejecting itself, along with the rest of their body.
There are possibilities, but if you are asking for this in the hope of playing V in the nest game....
Don't hold your breath. Not officially at least.
You might be able to remake your V there, but I don't hold out much hope that the next game skill have anything other than Easter eggs and graffiti for V.

[Rico]

Originally posted by EricHVela:

Lizzy Wizzy has issues as do all who overchrome themselves. This is exposed in a sidequest.

It's not a good solution.

The issue is not the body.

Main story spoiler from different playthroughs: It's the brain that's the problem. Victor, Alt, the Arasaka doctors all say the same thing.

What brain will V inhabit? There seemed to be only two Relics capable of overwriting a brain, Johnny's and Saburo's. There's no brain out there for V.

Exactly this.

[Nar!]

The body isn't the problem. Vic explains this well towards the end of your prologue playthrough. ;)

[I Denizen I]

As others have said, full borg keeps your brain, and in our case (V's) our brain is being changed at a molecular level by the nannites/engram to fit the parameters of Johnny Silverhand.

One of the DLC endings tells you just how messed up your brain is when they cure you.

Ideally, when Art makes an engram of you, you should get a clone made from your DNA and then upload the engram into it, then you would have a brand new body.

[Mander]

There is also a problem of "fitting".
Let's say, Alt manages to steal again a Biotechnicha plant like in the tabletop, and produce a “flash clone” of V. Or even a superior body built around cyberware designed by AI from beyond the blackwall (why not, at this point). And let’s say the next gen body is “inert” and ready to be sleeved.
The biochip, which contains at this point only “V” after the ending, has still nanites programmed to alter any body to fit Johnny. Not V.
So, you need:

- A new relic, to host V’s engram.
AND
- A new body to sleeve V (biologically compatible or a full body conversion)

And the former is the true problem: you need a new, custom-made relic to tranfer V to (basically, kidnap Hellman and make him replicate his most cutting edge product), after neutering the nanites (somehow without damaging the chip, otherwise you transfer the problem too), and you also need a new body to inhabit.
Not even Arasaka has the full know-how or industrial capability to do it alone.
You need a miracle… or Ais in your corner, to have some hopes at this point.
Otherwise, you simply die.

[I Denizen I]

Originally posted by Mander:

There is also a problem of "fitting".
Let's say, Alt manages to steal again a Biotechnicha plant like in the tabletop, and produce a “flash clone” of V. Or even a superior body built around cyberware designed by AI from beyond the blackwall (why not, at this point). And let’s say the next gen body is “inert” and ready to be sleeved.
The biochip, which contains at this point only “V” after the ending, has still nanites programmed to alter any body to fit Johnny. Not V.
So, you need:

- A new relic, to host V’s engram.
AND
- A new body to sleeve V (biologically compatible or a full body conversion)

And the former is the true problem: you need a new, custom-made relic to tranfer V to (basically, kidnap Hellman and make him replicate his most cutting edge product), after neutering the nanites (somehow without damaging the chip, otherwise you transfer the problem too), and you also need a new body to inhabit.
Not even Arasaka has the full know-how or industrial capability to do it alone.
You need a miracle… or Ais in your corner, to have some hopes at this point.
Otherwise, you simply die.

I mean Art does split you from Johnny, you have the blueprints, you have the data, and you have the original creator who is now an AI. You are an engram, your own engram at that stage.

Like I said, you'd need a cloned body, and then if you wanted you could scoop your new clone brain out and stick it in a full body conversion suit at that stage.

There were so many different full body conversion options in the RPG, but it wouldn't have fit well really in the story being told, so I understand why they didn't add them.

[yahboi1988]

Originally posted by I Denizen I:

Originally posted by Mander:

There is also a problem of "fitting".
Let's say, Alt manages to steal again a Biotechnicha plant like in the tabletop, and produce a “flash clone” of V. Or even a superior body built around cyberware designed by AI from beyond the blackwall (why not, at this point). And let’s say the next gen body is “inert” and ready to be sleeved.
The biochip, which contains at this point only “V” after the ending, has still nanites programmed to alter any body to fit Johnny. Not V.
So, you need:

- A new relic, to host V’s engram.
AND
- A new body to sleeve V (biologically compatible or a full body conversion)

And the former is the true problem: you need a new, custom-made relic to tranfer V to (basically, kidnap Hellman and make him replicate his most cutting edge product), after neutering the nanites (somehow without damaging the chip, otherwise you transfer the problem too), and you also need a new body to inhabit.
Not even Arasaka has the full know-how or industrial capability to do it alone.
You need a miracle… or Ais in your corner, to have some hopes at this point.
Otherwise, you simply die.

I mean Art does split you from Johnny, you have the blueprints, you have the data, and you have the original creator who is now an AI. You are an engram, your own engram at that stage.

Like I said, you'd need a cloned body, and then if you wanted you could scoop your new clone brain out and stick it in a full body conversion suit at that stage.

There were so many different full body conversion options in the RPG, but it wouldn't have fit well really in the story being told, so I understand why they didn't add them.

It's perfectly written for a Cyberpunk Genre story though. V could be cured, IF they were the richest person on the planet. But the aren't, so they are screwed. You cannot have a full victory in a Cyberpunk genre story or it's not Cyberpunk. You can win, but it will cost you dearly.

[Silverbane7]

Think the nanites only activate when there is an engram in the Reliquary chip tho.

So once it is empty, the nanites would stop working to actively overwrite the host, because they no longer have a 'client' they are working for.

I also think Alt knows how to upload/download V into their mind/brain.
I think that's the issue as to why V is getting rejected. V isn't inside the chip in their head, they went *through* the chip into their gray matter directly in Mikoshi.

Otherwise, how was she planning to jump back into her own body just before Johnny disconnected her?
How did she slip a copy of him into his clone in Cybergenerations? Or a copy of herself into her clone there (even tho she was still in the net)?

[Schizophrenic Cat-Lon]

It's the brain failing, since V is being turned into Johnny Silverhand. You can't really replace that without being turned into an engram. Speaking of which...

The Arasaka ending actually is the closest to what you're proposing, since they can turn you into an engram. Would Arasaka waste such a valuable asset that's helped them so much already? In refusing Arasaka's offer of being made an engram, they state that they still want your assistance, or for you to reconsider, so they'd almost certainly either have you a new body made and plop you in it, or install you into some unfortunate pedestrian.

[Coleman]

Conveniently the one thing they can't fix with all their tech is the thing that is failing.

[Silverbane7]

Originally posted by Schizophrenic Cat-Lon:

It's the brain failing, since V is being turned into Johnny Silverhand. You can't really replace that without being turned into an engram. Speaking of which...

The Arasaka ending actually is the closest to what you're proposing, since they can turn you into an engram. Would Arasaka waste such a valuable asset that's helped them so much already? In refusing Arasaka's offer of being made an engram, they state that they still want your assistance, or for you to reconsider, so they'd almost certainly either have you a new body made and plop you in it, or install you into some unfortunate pedestrian.

unless they just want to make sure they have V locked away safely.
i mean.. 6 months of angry arse V on earth.... with a sore itch to scratch re Arasaka...
even if only a couple of those months are viable, V can do a whole lotta damage to em lol

[Mander]

Originally posted by I Denizen I:

Originally posted by Mander:

There is also a problem of "fitting".
Let's say, Alt manages to steal again a Biotechnicha plant like in the tabletop, and produce a “flash clone” of V. Or even a superior body built around cyberware designed by AI from beyond the blackwall (why not, at this point). And let’s say the next gen body is “inert” and ready to be sleeved.
The biochip, which contains at this point only “V” after the ending, has still nanites programmed to alter any body to fit Johnny. Not V.
So, you need:

- A new relic, to host V’s engram.
AND
- A new body to sleeve V (biologically compatible or a full body conversion)

And the former is the true problem: you need a new, custom-made relic to tranfer V to (basically, kidnap Hellman and make him replicate his most cutting edge product), after neutering the nanites (somehow without damaging the chip, otherwise you transfer the problem too), and you also need a new body to inhabit.
Not even Arasaka has the full know-how or industrial capability to do it alone.
You need a miracle… or Ais in your corner, to have some hopes at this point.
Otherwise, you simply die.

I mean Art does split you from Johnny, you have the blueprints, you have the data, and you have the original creator who is now an AI. You are an engram, your own engram at that stage.

Like I said, you'd need a cloned body, and then if you wanted you could scoop your new clone brain out and stick it in a full body conversion suit at that stage.

There were so many different full body conversion options in the RPG, but it wouldn't have fit well really in the story being told, so I understand why they didn't add them.

You need a new relic too.
The "problem" is that, while it's true you're an engram, you're yourself only until you remain on the old relic connected to your old meat brain (filled with tumors by now). That’s because your personality was stretched over the 2 during your cohabitation with Johnny.
Extracting the chip and getting simply “sleeved” in a new (compatible) body risk irreparable damages to your ego.

And sure, you may have the blueprints for the relic... but you need to build it too.
Or steal another one from Arasaka (empty this time).
The former requires industrial and biological know-how that can’t be found in the wild.
The latter is certain to bring a lot of heat on your head (especially because, even assuming a spare relic exists, it must have become one of the most guarded assets of Arasaka in the meantime). Getting it would require much more than simply waltzing in a glorified hotel room.