I genuinley dont see a practical reason to side with So Mi

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PL spoilers... obviously.

im going to completely ignore the loot/gameplay reasons to go with Reed, and speak from a story standpoint (mainly because im biased towards my GOAT Erebus).

So Mi as a weapon:

So Mi is a dangerous individual who at any point could go off like a bomb and cause unimaginable harm, and it could happen in multiple forms, whether that be her being completely taken over by a rogue Ai (basically end of the world scenario, or her leaking ai into something that could cause ruin like a war machine.

the best explanation i've seen is:

There is a plastic bag containing the entire ocean hanging over the city, people are slowly poking holes in said bag with needles for profit, one day there will be too many leaks, and ruin occurs.

So Mi is a knife dragging across that bag. she is easily the most dangerous character we see in game including Adam Smasher.

now i obviously cannot, and will not ignore the fact she is being forced to do this by the NUSA, them lighting the fuse on this metaphorical bomb. this is why i will not go to bat for giving her up to the NUSA either, as they will just keep poking the blackwall with her until everything ends (even though i think it has a good ending for V dont @ me)

so we already have a very very dangerous individual here, surely her character would make up for it right?

So Mi as a person:

Songbird is a manipulator clawing at anyone she gets her hands on for a chance of escape. our first interaction with her is her begging for our help with the promise of a cure for our condition. now sure, her lying here is semi-reasonable in a sense, as she's trying to get away from her captors, but lets see what she does if you try to walk away from the whole thing.

she gives you a seizure.

she gives you a SEIZURE for not putting yourself in a suicidal situation trying to save someone SHE put in danger. if it was anyone but V going into Dogtown, dead. dead within minutes.

“You killed her as if you pulled the trigger yourself” she says... ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Ironic songbird. you loaded the gun, aimed it, and set it to a timer, but i am at fault for not throwing myself into a fire so it doesnt go off, yeah my bad. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ John Kramer "I'm not a murderer" logic. why we working by Air Bud rules, dude.


Later on in the DLC, when you decide at the first major fork between Reed or So Mi, she tells you she will turn the defense system of the stadium into hostile so they can "slip out in the chaos" when you go "hey how many will die doing this" So Mi responds "they'll die so we can survive, live."

im not going to dog on this *tooooo* hard, as they are only supposed to attack Kurts forces, her phrasing it like this right before a major decision that changes the endings of the dlc is beyond dumb, and unless V is omniscient her plan sounds ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ psychotic. also, civilians still die during it, as she loses control and lets pulses of the blackwall through, killing multiple people. (yes V gets civilians killed too i'll get to it)

in her flashbacks, we see So Mi as someone who doesnt care what happens to herself, even if it harms other people by proxy, a friend arguably saves her life and the second she's better its right back to diving again. "I didnt ask to be saved" the usual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from someone with no care. That was her second chance btw, if she stopped netrunning right there, she could have had her life. she made her bed and is killing and manipulating anyone she needs to not lie in it.

in the So Mi ending finale, the NUSA kills everyone on the spaceport she attempts to leave on, so according to So Mi's own logic, she got those people killed and "pulled the trigger herself" so nice going there Songbird, class act.

Hypocrisy:

V is a murdering psychopath who will step on anyone it takes to get their life back. during the festival with Takemura, and the Kang Tao raid with Panam we get a looot of people killed, the construct in their head killed countless with a nuke 50 years before. this is Indefensible and V deserves that second chance even less than So Mi. arguably, the EMP with Panam and Johnny's nuke arent completely their fault, as its hard to gauge how big the EMP would be and Johnny's nuke went off prematurely, making it a real explosion and not an underground bunker being demolished, but we can still assume they carry the blame

but here's the thing. V being a murderer, does not make Songbird any less of one either. if the tables were turned, and So Mi knew the only way to get that cure was shooting you in the knee and turning you in to the NUSA she would do it without skipping a beat. you think she would go to bat for you? LOLLLL. she never intended on curing you, just strung you along until you were too deep to back out, then goes freaky mode when you dont side with her after she tells you she's going to cause a mass shooting.

anyway yeah, ♥♥♥♥ So Mi, ♥♥♥♥ the NUSA, killing her is the best ending for everyone involved. I didnt even bring up the fact that the NUSA will carry through with the promise to cure you when So Mi just outright lies and i still think my point carries through enough

[yahboi1988]

Material reasons: Quantum Tuner & Reeds Silenced tech pistol.

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Originally posted by yahboi1988:

Material reasons: Quantum Tuner & Reeds Silenced tech pistol.

Erebus solos tbh

[Notoshy]

Yes, she is a unstable Weapon. Aslong she is in the Hands of the NUSA, catastrophy waits at every turn.
The NUSA basically invaded Night City (the Spaceport), massacred dozens of Civilians, just to get "their" unstable Weapon back. Still wonder why MaxTac didnt rain down on them - isnt it their Job to step in, when dangerous People harm Citizens and Companies?
Anyway... the NUSA broke international Laws multiple Times, they are basically Warcriminals.
Reed mimed the old Friend, who wants to help So Mi, but in the end, at the first Order of the NUSA/Meyers, he abandoned her and would have done anything to arrest a dying Person, dragging her back to Washington. He is a Sleeper Agent, waiting to be activated.

So Mi merely betrayed everyone, because she was sick of it and out of Fear for her Life. A Life, that was ruined by the NUSA. She never had the Option to "just stop netrunning" - she is Government Property.


...and thats why the best Option is, to make sure So Mi gets off the Planet. Put Distance between her, the Blackwall and the NUSA. Send the Weapon into Space and defuse her there.

[Mewsha]

Counterpoint: your honor my client is just a girl, she's literally just a girl.

[Sam]

she's like "trust me bro" every step of the way, really suspicious from the get go.

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not a terrible take tbh. i think its just safer for her to not exist, she could be used on the moon just as easily as someone using her on earth.

[Red Raven Thorn]

No point in adding that V has a construct in their head. Being forced to share the memories of another person doesn't make you responsible for their crimes.

You don't have to play as a murdering psychopath, people have done no-kill runs.

[yahboi1988]

Originally posted by Manic4Moxxie:

Originally posted by yahboi1988:

Material reasons: Quantum Tuner & Reeds Silenced tech pistol.

Erebus solos tbh

I guess if you only play one build ever, but if you are intending to play with anything besides sub-machine guns or the cyberdeck the Quantum Tuner is way better. If you are using Tech weapons without using quickhacks then you want Reeds pistol as it's the only silenced tech weapon in the game.

[Mander]

Originally posted by Manic4Moxxie:

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Practical reasons? There aren't, because we are in the Cyberpunk world, where heroes are dead, only protagonists exist, and morality is bankrupt at every level.
So what you do, you do it as V because it’s personal. Or because it resonates with how you’ve played the story.
Evelyn Parker was no less manipulative, foolish and arrogant than So Mi… doesn’t mean she deserves either what happened to her.

My line in the sand, throughout all Vs I’ve played, is that So Mi had to go from N-USA clutches. Leaving pet net nukes in the hand of people without morality, scruples and in a position of power… yeah, no ty.
So, bullet to the brain or shuttle to the moon were the only acceptable options, for me at least.
I took the shuttle, because So Mi in the end didn’t choose to become a weapon. She was made into one.
And so, she has earned the right to choose her life from that point onward.
Maybe she will frick it up again… but we’re not the morality police of Night City. We’re a Solo. And So Mi, at least, the client.

[EricHVela]

I wouldn't say she's earned the right when she pays for it through the loss of innocent lives for her own sake without restriction, not under the targeted purposes of the NUSA. Murdering for what she wants is what she's going to do once she's completely off the leash. It won't stop.

She was chosen for the NUSA job because of who she is. She couldn't become a weapon if she wasn't already primed to be one before having the means to be one.

The NUSA isn't blameless and can't undo what they did, but the option to let her off the leash is a terrible one. End it or put her back on the leash.

I say, keep the balance of power. Does the NUSA deserve to exist? We don't really know. NC has its dark corners where the wheelers and dealers control individual life and death just as they accuse the NUSA, but all we're getting is NC's version of the story. While there's a stalemate, there's less bloodshed than when one side decidedly gets the upper hand.

[Mander]

Originally posted by EricHVela:

I wouldn't say she's earned the right when she pays for it through the loss of innocent lives for her own sake without restriction, not under the targeted purposes of the NUSA. Murdering for what she wants is what she's going to do once she's completely off the leash. It won't stop.

She was chosen for the NUSA job because of who she is. She couldn't become a weapon if she wasn't already primed to be one before having the means to be one.

The NUSA isn't blameless and can't undo what they did, but the option to let her off the leash is a terrible one. End it or put her back on the leash.

I say, keep the balance of power. Does the NUSA deserve to exist? We don't really know. NC has its dark corners where the wheelers and dealers control individual life and death just as they accuse the NUSA, but all we're getting is NC's version of the story. While there's a stalemate, there's less bloodshed than when one side decidedly gets the upper hand.

Even if it is true (and I don't believe so), I think she deserves in any case to have a chance.
11 dead on her hands (the ones with her on the Space Force One) are chump change if confronted with the mountains of corpses we left behind as V.
Again... we aren't the morality police of NIght City. Nor do we have a pedestal to judge others from.

And we do know btw the nitty gritty status on what the N-USA are at the moment (in the tabletop game).
It's a place who got the orbital bombardment treatment from the moon colonies when they caused (almost) a worldwide famine (among other things: the Cyberpunk world is a bleak place).
So… yeah. There is that.
Let’s just say it’s a country that in the setting I would not fight for. XD

[Notoshy]

Originally posted by Mander:

Even if it is true (and I don't believe so), I think she deserves in any case to have a chance.
11 dead on her hands (the ones with her on the Space Force One) are chump change if confronted with the mountains of corpses we left behind as V.
Again... we aren't the morality police of NIght City. Nor do we have a pedestal to judge others from.

I probably killed dozens of innocents alone by pure accident, just by driving through the City.

Even if i would attempt a Playthrough with as few deaths as possible, ..... i probably killed more bad People in the very first tutorial Mission (rescuing Sandra and we dont really have much options to finish that with knockouts alone), than So Mi killed innocents in the whole time where she was in Dogtown.
So ...yeah.... rescuing So Mi, even if she lied to me, was the rational Choice.



Btw. off-topic: I read the name "Erebus" sometimes. I heard, that this is a Weapon ingame, but it isnt a Story-related one, correct? Dont want to be spoilered, but a poke in the right Direction would be appreciated.

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Originally posted by Notoshy:

Originally posted by Mander:

Even if it is true (and I don't believe so), I think she deserves in any case to have a chance.
11 dead on her hands (the ones with her on the Space Force One) are chump change if confronted with the mountains of corpses we left behind as V.
Again... we aren't the morality police of NIght City. Nor do we have a pedestal to judge others from.

I probably killed dozens of innocents alone by pure accident, just by driving through the City.

Even if i would attempt a Playthrough with as few deaths as possible, ..... i probably killed more bad People in the very first tutorial Mission (rescuing Sandra and we dont really have much options to finish that with knockouts alone), than So Mi killed innocents in the whole time where she was in Dogtown.
So ...yeah.... rescuing So Mi, even if she lied to me, was the rational Choice.



Btw. off-topic: I read the name "Erebus" sometimes. I heard, that this is a Weapon ingame, but it isnt a Story-related one, correct? Dont want to be spoilered, but a poke in the right Direction would be appreciated.

you get it on the siding with reed path, thats all i'll tell ya, you miight need a guide, but just save before the "Somewhat Damaged" Mission in case you miss it and need to go back, its not one that's just handed to you.

also i dont think V running over crowds in their car is canonical lol. only the EMP and Festival mission involves severe civilian casualties.

killing scavs is not the same as killing civillians in a shopping district, on top of the fact that if the blackwall consumes her she will literally just be a walking death aoe of blackwall virus like that one Xman short story

[Notoshy]

Thanks.... then i will not get it :)
Reed just acts nice, but is a coldblooded Killer, if it helps to make his Master happy.
Iam atleast a Mercenary, killing for Money and Loot.
After finishing the DLC recently and witnessing how he sheds his friendly Facade, i cant trust him. Not even for an iconic Weapon ..... i have more than 60 of these.

By sending her to the Moon for treatment, she will not be consumed by the Blackwall.

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Originally posted by Notoshy:

Thanks.... then i will not get it :)
Reed just acts nice, but is a coldblooded Killer, if it helps to make his Master happy.
Iam atleast a Mercenary, killing for Money and Loot.
After finishing the DLC recently and witnessing how he sheds his friendly Facade, i cant trust him. Not even for an iconic Weapon ..... i have more than 60 of these.

By sending her to the Moon for treatment, she will not be consumed by the Blackwall.

yeah i dont trust the NUSA either, i think So Mi dying is still the best for all involved, Reed is forced to no longer be a lap dog waiting to be called, he has to go make an actual life for himself that isnt staying undercover or obeying the NUSA till the end, the people on the space port arent killed, So Mi is still freed from her torturous prison, Myers and the NUSA in general are down a huuuge playing card so they get ♥♥♥♥♥♥, etc. everyone wins (except V who now doesnt have a cure lol)