Monks are so ungrateful

[Elio Fiară]

i met this MF again after a mission with my bestie Judy and he is still ungrateful talking about what i did doesn't justify murder, If i knew this is how he would react i would helped those freaks torture him

[kth]

Feels like this monk you saved only cares about his soul not to be connected with death of others, and not about what will happen afterwards if V will let Maelstrom live.
I mean come on it doesnt take more than 3 seconds to figure out what Malestrom gangers will do after waking up with a huge headache after being knocked out and finding out that monk is gone. I doubt they'll go singing kumbaya and planting flowers, they'll just find 10 more monks/civies to torture just out of spite.

[Tokenn]

Yeah...those monks are 'richards'. There should be at least dialogue choices where you tell them off or do them dirty somehow. With great care [those Maelstrom goons are the most fragile enemies in the game] it's possible to take them all down non-lethally and the monks will thank you and like you afterwards...but the joke is on them. After brother monk exits the area, I shoot all the goons in the head anyway.

[Silverbane7]

Lol @ Tokenn.
Yeah, a lot of folks do that too.

It's like when Johnny makes fun of V afterwards for not killing the gangoons.
If my main V was able to say what I want, she would say...

"I didn't let them live because I'm going soft, Johnny. I let em live because it will hurt em more to survive... When word gets around that this lot were taken down by a tiny little thing like me, with as much chrome in her than the average Maelstromer's hand.... Their rep will drop thru the floor. It's embarrassing as all hell for em. Maybe that will make em think twice about chromin random folk, think about who they take in as gangoons."

Plus, the monks don't know the Maelstrom are half Deamon worshipers, half Techno Vikings.
I've heard some of them talk about getting to Valhalla before now (as I'm flatlining them lol)
So some of them would get a 1st class ticket on the Valkyrie express from V killing them (death in battle, after all)

(Actually, since one of my nomad girls is named Valkyrie, they are getting that express ride over Bifrost anyway XD when she kills them)

[EricHVela]

Knock them out, let the monk go, finish the mission, go back, murder the lot.

No "fallen in battle" if they died in their sleep since a weapon in hand isn't enough to be granted entrance but acts of a warrior's spirit is what gets people into Valhalla—weapon or no. Ain't no warrior's spirit in torturing someone for grins.

I see most Maelstrom as "functional cpsychos" with some crossing that line as discovered in those missions and a few other encounters. Those who struggle against their new nature might be worthy of Valhalla, but those who give into the Chrome will not learn and are lost. Those Maelstrom torturing the monks have gone all-in.

I've no qualms about lying to the monks about saving those souls. Those souls aren't destined for salvation. Even if they were, it wouldn't be worth the lives of those they torture along their paths to rediscover whatever Humanity is left in those Maelstrom.

Those monks won't be learning any lessons about salvation this time. That'll come later in their journey. They learned about cruelty and identity. That's enough of a start. They accept that an engram could possibly contain a soul even as a copy, but it is beyond them to decide that.

That later "monks are pleased with V" conversation changes the tone of Mikoshi. Are those souls in there to be freed, merged, or left in storage? Are they just code needing to be removed from Arasaka's unfettered access?

[Silverbane7]

Well, tbh I figured it wasn't quite the same Valhalla that the vikings got to go to.
Infact, I figured it was the one the Warboys from MadMax Fury Road were trying to get to.

They share some of the same feeling and style, so figure it fits.
Can see them hanging onto a Punkanaught, screaming and waving home made weapons, and howling for blood as they ride around the edges of Northside. (Meaning I can imagine them doing that....haven't seen a Punkanaught in game, tho that would be awesome)
And that guy with the flamethrower guitar? Perfect Tinnitus lead guitarist XD

[Vela Darney]

I mean - just do that mission without killing anyone? Not that hard, you CAN take down enemies without killing them. Just because you CAN behave like a murder hobo that doesn't mean it's a REQUIREMENT ...

[Nomad]

I did the pacifist monk mission and the game glitched on me forcing me to kill everyone. during my play through i was trying to knock everyone out but one dude would not give the notice to grab and he turned around and spotted me. So I had to go lethal and kill them all. Didn't care afterwards but I do like doing missions perfectly once I've mastered the game mechanics stuff.

[Ez Duzit]

Автор сообщения: Vela Darney

I mean - just do that mission without killing anyone? Not that hard, you CAN take down enemies without killing them. Just because you CAN behave like a murder hobo that doesn't mean it's a REQUIREMENT ...

The point for most people is that maelstrom deserves to die, even more so for what they did to a peaceful monk. This quest (like so many others) was designed to elicit specific emotions and reactions. And it did exactly that.