River romance or never complete the quest?!

[Azi_Dahaka12th]

ok can someone fill me in..the quest following the river... if you are a female V you automatically flirt with him? and talk about past boyfriends? even if you are playing a lesbian V? has this been fixed? or am i going to have to avoid his quest line all together so i dont have hetero forced onto my V?

[Bjørn]

I'm currently playing a female V, have romanced Judy a while ago, and recently did this follow-up with River. I talked to him about personal stuff, but I didn't have to romance him, although I got the option at the end of the conversation (turned him down).

I chose the options that felt natural to talk about to be a friend, but if I remember correctly there were other more 'uncaring' dialogue choices that would probably avoid any stuff that might be seen as flirting altogether.

Not 100% sure, though.

[Azi_Dahaka12th]

its not just the flirting, there is also the imposed hetro/bi background
and it seems as if the devs wanted to force female V to be bi/het but male v as pure het/ player choice

[Nar!]

Male V can actually have gay romance with Kerry. But River is 100% hetero. Judy is 100% lesbian. Certain characters can be romanced both ways (bi). It's not some devious plan CDPR had against either demographics.

[Tijger]

Originally posted by Azi_Dahaka12th:

its not just the flirting, there is also the imposed hetro/bi background
and it seems as if the devs wanted to force female V to be bi/het but male v as pure het/ player choice

Bull. V chooses who he or she romances and like in the real world, River has no idea of V's orientation, he's interested in her and its up to the player which orientation V has.

There is zero downside or upside (if you will) to whichever one you choose or if you want to do both, there's no requirement and nothing is imposed.

[Azi_Dahaka12th]

Originally posted by Tijger:

Originally posted by Azi_Dahaka12th:

its not just the flirting, there is also the imposed hetro/bi background
and it seems as if the devs wanted to force female V to be bi/het but male v as pure het/ player choice

Bull. V chooses who he or she romances and like in the real world, River has no idea of V's orientation, he's interested in her and its up to the player which orientation V has.

There is zero downside or upside (if you will) to whichever one you choose or if you want to do both, there's no requirement and nothing is imposed.

not in this quest, cuz the dialog talks about Vs past boyfriends...so therefore making V bi
just like how female V has a Ballsy mag in her bed and male V dose not

but you are right one one thing "River has no idea of V's orientation" just wish one of the options was "ohh wait a moment you know im gay right?"

[Tijger]

Originally posted by Azi_Dahaka12th:

Originally posted by Tijger:

Bull. V chooses who he or she romances and like in the real world, River has no idea of V's orientation, he's interested in her and its up to the player which orientation V has.

There is zero downside or upside (if you will) to whichever one you choose or if you want to do both, there's no requirement and nothing is imposed.

not in this quest, cuz the dialog talks about Vs past boyfriends...so therefore making V bi
just like how female V has a Ballsy mag in her bed and male V dose not

but you are right one one thing "River has no idea of V's orientation" just wish one of the options was "ohh wait a moment you know im gay right?"

There is no boyfriend mentioned. V is talking about the worst pick up lines she ever heard, nothing indicates she is bi, just that men have tried hitting on her.

[the smoking mค็็็็็n]

watcha talkin about, River sounds sus even to a male V, just depends on what you say, and you have to damn near fight Kerry off

[Azi_Dahaka12th]

Originally posted by Tijger:

Originally posted by Azi_Dahaka12th:

not in this quest, cuz the dialog talks about Vs past boyfriends...so therefore making V bi
just like how female V has a Ballsy mag in her bed and male V dose not

but you are right one one thing "River has no idea of V's orientation" just wish one of the options was "ohh wait a moment you know im gay right?"

There is no boyfriend mentioned. V is talking about the worst pick up lines she ever heard, nothing indicates she is bi, just that men have tried hitting on her.

ohh so they have changed it then? if they have changed the dialog lines to remove and talk of having boyfriends in the past, then good on em

[SinDrom*]

Originally posted by Azi_Dahaka12th:

ohh so they have changed it then? if they have changed the dialog lines to remove and talk of having boyfriends in the past, then good on em

There are two dialog options when River says about his feelings to V, first one is about worst pick up, second one is about past boyfriends.

[Silverbane7]

Got your back, chooms.

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/13205
No River Romance.
Mod removes the forced dialogue for femV's who ether are lesbians or just do not want a forced romantic background conversation.

There is a similar moment for straight femV's with Kerry.
On the boat, guy V's get a choice between kissing him, or saying no.
Female V's don't. We just automatically go for it, even if we have never tried to kiss him beforehand.
Wish there was a mod to fix that too

Want the option to try still there, but OPTIONAL lol. Let us have..
(Kiss)
(Grin)"Are we having fun yet?"

And if we pick the question, Kerry grins back and says something like "Fu*k, yeah!"

Originally posted by SinDrom*:

Originally posted by Azi_Dahaka12th:

ohh so they have changed it then? if they have changed the dialog lines to remove and talk of having boyfriends in the past, then good on em

There are two dialog options when River says about his feelings to V, first one is about worst pick up, second one is about past boyfriends.

Ooh, they changed it up a bit?
Since which patch?
(asking because I'm still rocking patch 2.02 as I don't want to give up my metro mod. Plus, I tend to forget River's quest line because it's not tied to the main quest like Panam and Judy's are)

[Azi_Dahaka12th]

Originally posted by Silverbane7:

Got your back, chooms.

https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/13205
No River Romance.
Mod removes the forced dialogue for femV's who ether are lesbians or just do not want a forced romantic background conversation.

There is a similar moment for straight femV's with Kerry.
On the boat, guy V's get a choice between kissing him, or saying no.
Female V's don't. We just automatically go for it, even if we have never tried to kiss him beforehand.
Wish there was a mod to fix that too

Want the option to try still there, but OPTIONAL lol. Let us have..
(Kiss)
(Grin)"Are we having fun yet?"

And if we pick the question, Kerry grins back and says something like "Fu*k, yeah!"

Originally posted by SinDrom*:

There are two dialog options when River says about his feelings to V, first one is about worst pick up, second one is about past boyfriends.

Ooh, they changed it up a bit?
Since which patch?
(asking because I'm still rocking patch 2.02 as I don't want to give up my metro mod. Plus, I tend to forget River's quest line because it's not tied to the main quest like Panam and Judy's are)

wait i knew about the no river romance mod, but there is a part of the game where your female V is forced to kiss(or at least tries to) without the player choosing to?!
god why is it that male characters are always so carefully written straight, as in they go out of the way to avoid and m/m interactions, or at least give you the option...

but when its a female character they sometimes force f/m interactions?! and im not just talking cyberpunk, it seems like its most games that have playable female characters they are written as either Bi or straight...like how only female V has porn in her bed and its Ballys but male V dosnt have any porn at all...and i know i keep using cyberpunk as an example(mostly cuz this is the cyberpunk page XD) but MANY games get hit with the "Bisexual curse" look at fall out 3, you get a blank slate to fill in with YOUR choices to make what ever character you want...fall out 4? NOPE you are a housewife/husband you ARE a straight person...no aro no ace no les no gay..MAYBE bi if you want later...

like i forgot the name of the game, but you can choose between male or female lovers regardless of your gender, and the game for the most part reacts to and respects said choices. gay men are shunned(context in story) and gay women are treated as if they are just going thru a phase(despite there begin older lesbian characters) and both gender bis get the same treatment, "well as long as we get some babies out of you in the end"....
that is until you come across sexual enemies...female characters are ALWAYS "charmed" by the incubus and males the succubus. and no "charmed" is not a sex thing the game is M not AO, but your character loses stats and might even refuse to attack...so despite only ever being with women, and the whole world knowing you dont like men...that incubus kinda hot tho...

[Actalo]

Having never played Fem V it's interesting to read about the differences. For male V, especially for hetero males playing male V, there's at least two instances with Kerry where we were uncomfortably, intimately, close that I really didn't like, but whatever, it's a scripted cutscene, just had to endure it.

The scene where Kerry and V do a high man/low man position waiting for the car - it's weirdly intimate. Also, on the boat, that got really awkward with the face-to-face and even the beach, the way they make male V sit is too much like a woman sitting with her lover, but I'll get to that later.

With River, with you're sitting down with him on the water tower, the game makes you sit in a manner, laid back, chest out, arms behind, which is a very physically and sexually vulnerable position, and it's really uncomfortable, as if the scene was written specifically for a Fem V opening herself up sexually to River.

[Azi_Dahaka12th]

From what iv been told Kelly just has personal space issues, and it's less about sez and more about not understanding boundaries

[Silverbane7]

Kerry was one of the only openly bi characters back in the tabletop, back before they decided it was 'one love per type, unless you like both.'

The arguments rage to this day, for both him and Judy.
I just go by their code. (Program code, I mean)
If players use the console commands to set them to romanced, both Judy and Kerry work fine for opposites. Kerry has almost all the dialogue but no animations, while Judy has all of it. The game does not break or glitch, tho there is one line from FemV that becomes MascV with Kerry.
Try the same with Panam and River tho, and it gets busted. Like, crashy and glitchy and break my saves kinda bad.
For me, Panam is a slightly older sister. Judy is little sister. So I don't need them to change. But I get why guys pine after Judy and girls pine after Panam. They are the two best written romances in the game....outside of the V +Johnny one. The Devs went all in for those two and forgot River existed till the last moment, feels like. Someone on the team really fell for Kerry, tho lol.

I prefer characters to be player-sexual. That is, if I pass the right checks, fulfill their quests, tell them what they need to hear....it shouldn't matter what my player is.
I could be a blue faced, scaley dragonkin....and they would care for my player.
I mean sure...elf+dwarf might take more work.... But hell....if a Klingon and a Ferengi can get it on, why should anyone else have it so hard?
Just feels unfair that some characters in games in general, are set up to make you love them, then don't want your player. Almost like someone set you up to deliberately fail and fall on your face out of spite.
(That could just be my minor persecution complex tho lol)

They all flirt with you the same, no mater their actual preferences. Same lines, same looks.
Which confused me at first. I then saw the arguments (online, here and YouTube) over who got whom and thought it was lazy to not fix it.
Feels unfair to have Judy flirting with Vincent, and Panam flirting with Valerie when you know they don't mean it. Can't mean it, due to the extra code criteria.

Also, same mod maker said they might look into fixing Kerry's forced issue once they get there, I've mentioned it in their comments and they said they'd look into it once they get to that point in the story.

[Actalo]

I'm kinda the opposite, not a fan of "player sexual" characters, just seems more interesting if the player and npcs seems to act and desire independently, individual agency, so to speak. As popular as Judy is, I'd argue a substantial chunk of the male player base plays Fem V anyway, so they probably like having her for girl-on-girl.

There's an entire sub-gernre of 'Barbie V' mods on Nexus where's it's probably mostly hetero dudes making Fem V into their own sexual 'perfectus', complete with every conceivable outfit and body type.