Cyberpunk 2077

Cyberpunk 2077

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Angrypillow Nov 5, 2023 @ 8:16pm
The PL "cure" ending is absolute garbage.
It was completely unnecessary for it to end like that. If you want to take V as a merc out of the equation, fine...keep the cost of them losing all their abilities. But adding in everyone in their life abandoning them because of some coma ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ makes me wonder if the writers enjoy kicking puppies. They could have just as easily had V leave the city with the nomads after the operation.
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Izzy Wit Da Uzi Nov 5, 2023 @ 8:57pm 
Originally posted by AngryPillow:
They could have just as easily had V leave the city with the nomads after the operation.

This is exactly why I think it's poorly written. They did it that way so it wouldn't undermine the Star ending but it's forced and ham-fisted.
Dorfo Nov 6, 2023 @ 12:40am 
bad ending
Drahknon Nov 6, 2023 @ 3:49am 
CDPR is telling a story. The PL story themes are about duty vs. freedom, the self vs. the greater good, and ideals vs. cynicism. The endings reflect deliberate design choices made to get that story across to players, and they work. If players sacrifice others for their purely selfish goals, they can get what they want, but it comes at a cost.

The endings aren't about what would make the player power fantasy feel good. The endings reflect the themes and the fact that everything comes at a cost. If you want a "happy" ending, then plenty of games can provide that.
ignis Nov 6, 2023 @ 5:58am 
Originally posted by Drahknon:
CDPR is telling a story. The PL story themes are about duty vs. freedom, the self vs. the greater good, and ideals vs. cynicism. The endings reflect deliberate design choices made to get that story across to players, and they work. If players sacrifice others for their purely selfish goals, they can get what they want, but it comes at a cost.

The endings aren't about what would make the player power fantasy feel good. The endings reflect the themes and the fact that everything comes at a cost. If you want a "happy" ending, then plenty of games can provide that.
So karma ending. This is bad writing, period. Your bad outcomes should be a consequence of your choices, not just random punishment for being bad.
Kohle Nov 6, 2023 @ 6:06am 
Originally posted by Drahknon:
CDPR is telling a story.

I was enjoying the game until I got to the terminal illness simulator part. I think it's that 'if you only had a week to live, what would you do?".

Me? ~Get annoyed at the writer for such a stupid trope. I'm not V and night city is fiction. Half my brain want's to pick apart cyberpunks lore and the other half just wants to never play again. I can hold my disbelief but if the game is trying so hard to play with grand concepts: that breaks the illusion.

If the writers had the skill/IQ sure but it's pretty clear they don't. They should have stuck in their lane and just wrote a fun story for players to enjoy.
Drahknon Nov 6, 2023 @ 7:04am 
I won't quote replies for brevity, but games and other fiction outlets do this all the time. Cyberpunk certainly isn't the first video game to have a suite of downer or bittersweet endings. The Dark Souls and Bloodborne games are very much like this. The "good" ending is just the least-worst option or perhaps even "good" in tone, only. You aren't entitled to have a video game ending where you're the king/queen of the universe, beloved by all, any more than you would be if you'd read a book or watched a film.

That said, I completely understand that it's a matter of taste. What you're expressing is that you would _prefer_ that Cyberpunk had a more straightforwardly positive ending. That's just fine of course. However, I don't think that puts CP or PL out of step with video games or other fiction, generally.
The Minted Lady Nov 6, 2023 @ 8:39am 
I've already said a lot of my problems with The Tower ending in another thread. But here I will add something that seemed like a technical bug as well as bad design.

Your character is in a coma for two years. But, their surgery had to have been sometime at the beginning of that. Yet when they finally show V, not only is their head shaved, but also their entire face. That was confusing to me. I know surgeons will shave your head for brain surgery but your eyebrows and beard? That didn't seem right at all, and is why I'm willing to think this must be some sort of design bug. The male Nomad V I designed had thick brows and a beard as a central part of his appearance. Without them, he didn't even look remotely the same. And I'm sure someone could argue that this is one point of him becoming a Normie, but it didn't really make sense for him to be so clean-shaven that he wouldn't even have eyebrows.

But let's say that the last step of his brain surgery was closer to the time he woke up and left. He wouldn't be allowed to leave until he was in a good state of recovery, and at that point hair should have grown back on his face. There were other elements to The Tower ending, but this in particular really made me unhappy. A shaved head would have been fine, but the eyebrows? The entire beard? It was so off-putting.
Angrypillow Nov 6, 2023 @ 4:12pm 
Originally posted by Drahknon:
You aren't entitled to have a video game ending where you're the king/queen of the universe, beloved by all,

This is incredibly disingenuous. Nobody is asking for an ending where you are the paragon of humanity. I would wager most people didn't want the exact opposite of that, either. If I were V, I would have been more likely to shoot myself after finding all that out than on the vanilla rooftop conversation with Johnny.

I would have been perfectly happy with V getting the surgery and fleeing the city with the Aldecaldos, similar to the star ending only without the whole assault on Arasaka. You still get to take V as a merc out of the equation, but V doesn't end up losing everything that made staying alive worthwhile. It's kind of impressive that they managed to make a "v lives" ending that is worse than V committing suicide.
Zoid13 Nov 6, 2023 @ 4:29pm 
removing all the old contacts is part of the being truly free for a new beginning. no attachments to V's old life, clean slate. its IMO actually a great ending.

Judy jumps from being with Evelyn to you in a heartbeat. why wouldn't she jump from you to someone else after you vanish for 2 years? shes a cheap fickle hussy!

Panam has serious trust and abandonment issues. you abandoned her and the 'family' (aldecados) for 2 years. you're dead to her.

Takemura was never a friend. just an honorable soldier trying to do the right thing and keeping his word to you for helping him with Hinako.

and the obvious answer to the cyberware issue is that the NUSA did something to V intentionally because V was too big of a threat. they all proved to be liars and manipulators all through PL why wouldn't they lie to you in the ending too!

Originally posted by The Minted Lady:
Your character is in a coma for two years. But, their surgery had to have been sometime at the beginning of that. Yet when they finally show V, not only is their head shaved, but also their entire face. That was confusing to me. .

not that strange. less hygiene maintenance. easier to keep clean / wipe down.
also
having all the implants removed (that literally require you to chop off whole limbs to install them in the first place lol) they would have had to regrow limbs and other things or even clone V to patch the body back up.
treatment might have involved loads of chemicals and other ♥♥♥♥ that caused hair loss ect (like chemo)

/shrug
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Drahknon Nov 6, 2023 @ 4:39pm 
Originally posted by AngryPillow:
I would have been perfectly happy with V getting the surgery and fleeing the city with the Aldecaldos, similar to the star ending only without the whole assault on Arasaka. You still get to take V as a merc out of the equation, but V doesn't end up losing everything that made staying alive worthwhile. It's kind of impressive that they managed to make a "v lives" ending that is worse than V committing suicide.

Sure, you would have preferred something different, but that has nothing to do with whether the ending _could_ have been better for V. Of course it _could_ have. Why couldn't the eagles take Frodo to Mount Doom? Why couldn't the good hunter defeat all of the evil and save the world. Why couldn't V find a cure AND keep all of their friends and cybernetics? Because that's a different story than the one they had in mind. There's a point they're making. I wonder if you know what it is.
Angrypillow Nov 6, 2023 @ 10:05pm 
Originally posted by Drahknon:
Originally posted by AngryPillow:
I would have been perfectly happy with V getting the surgery and fleeing the city with the Aldecaldos, similar to the star ending only without the whole assault on Arasaka. You still get to take V as a merc out of the equation, but V doesn't end up losing everything that made staying alive worthwhile. It's kind of impressive that they managed to make a "v lives" ending that is worse than V committing suicide.

Sure, you would have preferred something different, but that has nothing to do with whether the ending _could_ have been better for V. Of course it _could_ have. Why couldn't the eagles take Frodo to Mount Doom? Why couldn't the good hunter defeat all of the evil and save the world. Why couldn't V find a cure AND keep all of their friends and cybernetics? Because that's a different story than the one they had in mind. There's a point they're making. I wonder if you know what it is.

If it wasn't for pretentious ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and false equivalencies you would struggle to find anything to say.
Drahknon Nov 7, 2023 @ 2:28am 
Originally posted by AngryPillow:
Originally posted by Drahknon:

Sure, you would have preferred something different, but that has nothing to do with whether the ending _could_ have been better for V. Of course it _could_ have. Why couldn't the eagles take Frodo to Mount Doom? Why couldn't the good hunter defeat all of the evil and save the world. Why couldn't V find a cure AND keep all of their friends and cybernetics? Because that's a different story than the one they had in mind. There's a point they're making. I wonder if you know what it is.

If it wasn't for pretentious ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and false equivalencies you would struggle to find anything to say.

I'll take that as a no.
Kohle Nov 7, 2023 @ 5:03am 
Originally posted by AngryPillow:
Why couldn't V find a cure AND keep all of their friends and cybernetics? Because that's a different story than the one they had in mind. There's a point they're making. I wonder if you know what it is.

That Super elite Johnny Silverhand, the man who destroys over creates; should have your body. Personally I don't simp celebrities so I find that idea revolting. If you want a self-sacrificing meme, how about put someone worthy?

How old is that trope anyway? Past ones at least have you dying for something worthy and not some spoiled has been celebrity.

Here is a new idea. How about we, the player, are the mind virus. The moral is: Does the player take over V's body or let her be free destroying the chip. Same death trope ~ for the greater good but without the dried up singer. Wait?? Is Johnny the writers self insert?? Ohhhh I get it. Gross.
Izzy Wit Da Uzi Nov 7, 2023 @ 8:47am 
I really don't care what point they're trying to make because it's a complete crap stain of an excuse for an ending
ShotBot Nov 7, 2023 @ 3:49pm 
''Would you rather live in peace as Mr. Nobody, die ripe, old and smelling slightly of urine? Or go down for all times in a blaze of glory, smelling near like posies, without seeing your thirtieth?'' -Dexter Deshawn

All the other endings (except suicide) are going down in a blaze of glory. This is the quiet life ending. There are only two ways to live in NC.

Side note, everyone moving on could be taken as ''Oh cmon that is just sad what is the point'' but in my head like Misty says you're now; ''Just another face in the crowd''. 2 yrs is enough time for ppl to move on (especially when nobody even knew where or why u were gone so in their head u just left them).
Panam not talking adds up with her character's past actions, Viktor is the only ones who cares (Besides Misty) just like the past but life has pushed him away (just like IRL). Judy already left and started a life, probably woulda happen either way, Kerry is obsessed with fame just like his past (even sold out to CORPS just to feel bigger than Johnny and hes technically dead), and Rivers in one ending talks about supplying his neighbourhood with weapons he got off a Police bust. So him leaving and getting into sketchy stuff and not feeling he deserves your attention is again, in character and lines up. They all make sense.

IMO this ending is absolutely amazing. For the sake of my heart I hope it is not canon, but the other endings cover very different things. I think this ending brought something completely new and was more emotional than action packed like the others which I loved considering this is a DLC that adds a whole new game ending.
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