PHANTOM LIBERTY new main ending sucks ENDING SPOILER

[Shane]

the new main ending is another negative ending for V which is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and disappointing there are like 6 endings and they are all negative and uncertain. I don't expect a happy ever after ending but give us something other then the nomad ending.

[wirednight]

That's kind of the premise though of cyberpunk. I mean the genre not the game. The genre is literally about doing everything you can to beat the system, and life still sucking. It boils down to do what you can to survive, look cool doing it, and die with a curse on your lips early, a middle finger pointed to the corporations, and be totally forgotten by tomorrow.

[wirednight]

Originally posted by Megapewpew:

Originally posted by wirednight:

That's kind of the premise though of cyberpunk. I mean the genre not the game. The genre is literally about doing everything you can to beat the system, and life still sucking. It boils down to do what you can to survive, look cool doing it, and die with a curse on your lips early, a middle finger pointed to the corporations, and be totally forgotten by tomorrow.

There are a lot of cyberpunk endings where the protagonist doesnt die or become weaker. I see this point brought up a lot and question how many cyberpunk novels people have ever actually read or how many of the cyberpunk 2020 publications people have read.

You can have tragedy without reducing the plot to "what is life" essentially or turning the protag into a 9 to 5.

But that's literally Pondsmith's thing, hell he's literally said it. Look at his stories prior to this, and you'll see how many of his characters survived, and those who did survive, how many really went on to a better life.

Now you can argue that Pondsmith isn't the end-all-say-all of cyberpunk, but the man literally, if not create it had a heavy hand in it.

In 2077 this is literally the entire premise. It's literally it's the first real question you're faced with in 2077.

Do you want to live to a ripe old age or die young and be remembered?

Problem is, you're rarely remembered either, and you rarely accomplish anything life changing against the corporations. Silverhand was one of the few that managed to change thing in the world, and even he realizes he barely made a dent.

Bladerunner: Decker lives, but he's faced with questions, has to run for his life with the "girl" he loves and the only thing that changes is him. Roy dies a lonely death, accomplishing nothing other then shattering Tyrell (which later movies just have another company pick up, changing nothing). All the other replicants either die, or are still forced into slave labor in the colonies. The book Do Androids dream of Electric Sheep is even bleaker.

Johnny Mnemonic (the book and the movie) is one of the few where someone actually makes a difference with the company building burning during riots.

Neuromancer? Case dies, Neruomance lives, and Case becomes a copy in cyberspace.

I mean I can go on and on. Cyberpunk, as a genre, is not all happy endings, in fact it rarely is.

[Ogami]

Originally posted by Shane:

I don't know nor want to know the specifics of the new ending just heard its not positive

SPOILER FOR THE NEW ENDING (READ ONLY IF YOU WANT TO KNOW)
Ehh, i thought its not that bad.
Basically V gets a cure but is in a coma for 2 years. When he/she wakes up they are cured but can never use cyberware again, it would instantly kill them. So V´s mercenary carrier is basically over.
You can visit your old friends from 2 years ago but most have moved on, Panam wont talk to you, Judy left town and got married and so on.
Its more of a bittersweet "life goes on" ending with V now a normal civilian and having to adjust to that life, but you are cured and wont die in 6 months.
I thought it was a fitting end, a complete "V wins, gets the guy/girl, gets cured and rides into the sunset" would make the entire game pointless and not fit with the whole Cyberpunk theme anyway.

[Viper]

didn't read this..reported it though. If it snot a spoiler you should not label it as one.

[Metadigital]

The cyberpunk genre was never about happy endings. You were never going to get on and have a game that stayed true to the genre.

It's honestly the main failure of cyberpunk. It offers a shallow critique of our society through its dystopia, but still paints all alternatives as impossible for one reason or another.

[Telas]

----------SPOILERS, KEEP AWAY-----------------
How in hells is getting 5-6 decades of a full and normal life, a negative ending? Certanly better than a bullet to the brain at 30 years old or dying six months later by Johnny's engram.

[weendvidente]

What is "happy" for you? Big hoouse, family, dog, good work? As for me - this is hell. Travel to unknown, over the Black Barrier - is the best fate for human beign.

[Ogami]

If we go REALLY technical, V dies the moment the soul killer program is used on them.
Everything after that is just a engram copy, same as Johnny.

[Sweet Tooth]

"The city of dreams. I'd gladly kick the balls off the idiot who thought that one up." - Panam to V.

[H.Honor]

If you really think about that ending it isn't as bad all that happens in that ending would happen after your death in the normal endings anyway (except Johnny taking over) people move on etc
atleast with the new ending you know

[Advanced Nap Techs]

The new ending represents spiritual death. By excising Silverhand, you symbolically took the punk out of the cyberpunk. Everyone is broken or sold out. Even the cartoonish megacorp with an equally cartoonish villain at the helm goes from a force one could confront, even if unsuccessfully in a blaze of glory, to a general malaise without a face to hate. "Magic and adventure" is gone from your world, from the loss of your enhancements, down to the totally normal and generic nobodies who accost you in an alley. You survive, yet you, and your world, are no longer alive.

[wirednight]

Originally posted by Megapewpew:

Originally posted by H.honor:

If you really think about that ending it isn't as bad all that happens in that ending would happen after your death in the normal endings anyway (except Johnny taking over) people move on etc
atleast with the new ending you know

Ya, I think the new ending is pretty peaceful, dont like the direction of it tho. But I guess for some people its the "Would you rather live in peace as Mr. Nobody, die ripe, old and smellin' slightly of urine" ending.

I guess my problem stems more from the plot then the ending tho if I'm being honest.

I can see this. I'm not defending the writing of 2077 as good in any sense of the word. It's not, and I agree with you that some of the endings are janky as hell, but I see that more as bad writing then cyberpunk. There's a lot about 2077's writing I don't like at all.

[Replica]

What did people expect? I honestly think they should have made Johnny Silverhand the main character just with a customizable V doll with all the respect and nuance they used for body jacking. Entire story was so apologist towards Silverhand so why would the DLC really be different. That's what I realised my fundamental issue with the story is and grim endings are one thing but whitewashing a person being obliterated and apologising the invading personality? It's just another reason why the anime had better writing and care for characters than the game.

[[DE]Topperharly]

what i dont get thought. the "cant never use cyberware" what if you didnt use any aside from the eye and hand thing.....you could still be a merc with just an eye......

[Telas]

Originally posted by DETopperharly:

what i dont get thought. the "cant never use cyberware" what if you didnt use any aside from the eye and hand thing.....you could still be a merc with just an eye......

Exactly. During the six months montage with Jackie, V had almost zero implants other than the two basics and he/her was doing just fine as a Merc. A mid tier one but who cares?