The way you get secret ending is so dumb

[GoodComrade]

I cannot believe it is only triggered when you select ONE dialogue. You dont even need 70% of relationship you just need to select that one dialogue. So stupid and dumb because in my original playthrough I had 60% and my friendship with Johnny is much better and we speak to each other more friendly but the secret ending didnt trigger.

I rolled back 2 hours earlier save to chippin in and chose this stupid dialogue option and immediately rushed to ending and not only Johnny was very rude to me but the secret ending also triggered.

Overall an awesome game and gave me goosebumps here and there but this certain secret ending choice approach is very dumb. It must be a bug lol

[Rabidnid]

Are you saying the secret ending was too secret?

You do tape worm and the 8 dialogue prompts and wait minutes for the option. It's not like it can be found by accident.

[GoodComrade]

Originally posted by Rabidnid:

Are you saying the secret ending was too secret?

You do tape worm and the 8 dialogue prompts and wait minutes for the option. It's not like it can be found by accident.

maybe the title of my post had bad wording. What I mean is that only thing you need to pay attention is a SINGLE dialogue at the end of chippin in quest. (you messed up that too)

[Zebedee]

I've mixed feelings about it. There's ultimately always going to be a single point of success/failure but I'm not keen on some of the ways non-stat based dialogue checks are used to get there in Cyberpunk.

I think it works when there's feedback to knowing that you got something 'wrong' (or missed out on something cool), even if it's well past the point where you could reload, but not so much when you could entirely miss out that there is a consequence.

Kind of fits with a general theme of Cyberpunk having a tendency to bury consequences when perhaps it makes for a more interesting game to put them more clearly in front of the player.

[All talk and no fight]

I don't like the secret ending because it really could have and should have just been a branch ending off of suicide.
You (or Johny) decides/persuades suicide as an option instead of risking everything to attack arasaka, possibly getting you and the faction you choose killed/hurt.
Then the person who didn't decide/suggest suicide weighs in that "you know what would be a good way to off yourself? Attack Arasaka alone- see how far we get in one last blaze of glory."

Boom, done. No arbitrary dialogue in a mission needed.

[GoodComrade]

Originally posted by All talk and no fight:

I don't like the secret ending because it really could have and should have just been a branch ending off of suicide.
You (or Johny) decides/persuades suicide as an option instead of risking everything to attack arasaka, possibly getting you and the faction you choose killed/hurt.
Then the person who didn't decide/suggest suicide weighs in that "you know what would be a good way to off yourself? Attack Arasaka alone- see how far we get in one last blaze of glory."

Boom, done. No arbitrary dialogue in a mission needed.

Yeah secret ending might feel badass but it is not a smart one. The Nomad ending was the best

[Texus]

Is it still a "you'r dead ending?" I don't consider this a spoiler now, I think that ending was talked about a lot.

(is it your or you'r I'm trying to remember some grammar here for english)

[Zebedee]

Originally posted by Texus:

Is it still a "you'r dead ending?" I don't consider this a spoiler now, I think that ending was talked about a lot.

(is it your or you'r I'm trying to remember some grammar here for english)

It's just another way to reach Alt in Arasaka Tower. So it avoids the only explicitly "you're dead (again)" ending just by taking the decision to attack the Tower.

[Tanoomba]

Originally posted by Texus:

(is it your or you'r I'm trying to remember some grammar here for english)

*you're
(The apostrophe is replacing the "a" in "you are". "Your" is the possessive for "you", as in "Your hair looks nice.")

[Zebedee]

Originally posted by Tanoomba:

(The apostrophe is replacing the "a" in "you are". "Your" is the possessive for "you", as in "Your hair looks nice.")

wb

[Texus]

Thank you

[Vela Darney]

Originally posted by GoodComrade:

Originally posted by All talk and no fight:

I don't like the secret ending because it really could have and should have just been a branch ending off of suicide.
You (or Johny) decides/persuades suicide as an option instead of risking everything to attack arasaka, possibly getting you and the faction you choose killed/hurt.
Then the person who didn't decide/suggest suicide weighs in that "you know what would be a good way to off yourself? Attack Arasaka alone- see how far we get in one last blaze of glory."

Boom, done. No arbitrary dialogue in a mission needed.

Yeah secret ending might feel badass but it is not a smart one. The Nomad ending was the best

No, it wasn't. Best ending is the Sun ending (combined with the secret ending) cos [/spoiler] none of V's friends die in that one and V's basically a living lgend.[/spoiler]

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Vela Darney:

Originally posted by GoodComrade:

Yeah secret ending might feel badass but it is not a smart one. The Nomad ending was the best

No, it wasn't. Best ending is the Sun ending (combined with the secret ending) cos none of V's friends die in that one and V's basically a living lgend.

You put a / where it should be, so it's left wide open.

Anyway, that's not the "best" ending, because it's still a waste of a body that Johnny could've inhabited. It might be a happy and successful ending for V, but it's a stupid ending that also means that V has to entangle themselves with the likes of Mr. Blue Eyes just to potentially save their life, and that man is not someone to be trusted. If you've played Half Life, he's the Cyberpunk equivalent of the G-Man, and he's the one brainwashing the Peralezes, you can even see him watching you talk to Jefferson at the end of Where Is Your Mind from a nearby balcony. So it's very obvious that he has a lot of wealth and influence, so he has the means to save V, but like with Arasaka, you're basically making a deal with the devil himself. He doesn't do anything without an ulterior motive, and he wants to use V as a tool. If V doesn't play along, they can kiss their last chance goodbye.

The best ending is Temperance in combination with (Don't Fear) The Reaper because both Johnny and V ultimately survive in the end, just in different ways.
Johnny gets his second chance in a physical form, while V carries on as a rogue AI after they leave with Alt to the Ghost City, a haven for rogue AI outside the Blackwall in Hong Kong that Alt was tasked with building for Kang Tao. V is ultimately in the winning position here, because he's not in extreme mortal danger like the people of Night City are once the Blackwall fails, and the rogue AIs start causing absolute mayhem. The VDBs made a deal with Alt to avoid meeting that fate.

[Vela Darney]

I don't think Mr. Blue Eyes is actually a person in the sense that he's human ... more like an AI with a "human" (read: artificial) body. We know from both Delamain and Alt that human-like AIs do exist (read: AIs that can pass as human). His constantly bright blue eyes, to me, seem to indicate that he's constantly connected to something, sending and/or receiving data (equivalent to how everyone's eyes are glowing blue when they're, like, sending or receiving eddies or data). Maybe just part of some greater "hive mind" with motives we probably don't understand since AIs (or even human hive minds) are so completely different from our own minds. So I wouldn't call his motives ulterior per se since we simply DON'T KNOW HIS MOTIVES. We don't know why he's doing what he's doing. If, for example, he's doing what he's doing to try and create a better "life" for AIs, then I wouldn't call his motives ulterior at all even though he's using questionable methods to achieve that goal. Unless we KNOW why he's doing what he's doing, I won't call him anything other than someone to be careful around.

And I still do consider the Sun ending better because, yeah, V is still dying and Johnny's still not alive again, BUT V here does honor what JOHNNY wants her to do (he's definitely not happy with V crossing the bridge and he also doesn't seem all too enthusiastic about being alive again, at least that's the feeling I get watching the Temperance ending, probably because he feels like he failed doing what he wanted to do, which was save V). Probably just me but to me the Temperance ending's got kind of a subdued feeling, I'd even call it kinda depressed. Dunno. Just doesn't feel right. Kinda like "Well, just because you got the best possible outcome for yourself and your choom doesn't necessarily mean it's also actually a GOOD, HAPPY ending ..." - just doesn't feel like a good or happy ending to me, just kinda like Johnny and V both rolling over on their backs and giving up.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Vela Darney:

I don't think Mr. Blue Eyes is actually a person in the sense that he's human ... more like an AI with a "human" (read: artificial) body. We know from both Delamain and Alt that human-like AIs do exist (read: AIs that can pass as human). His constantly bright blue eyes, to me, seem to indicate that he's constantly connected to something, sending and/or receiving data (equivalent to how everyone's eyes are glowing blue when they're, like, sending or receiving eddies or data). Maybe just part of some greater "hive mind" with motives we probably don't understand since AIs (or even human hive minds) are so completely different from our own minds. So I wouldn't call his motives ulterior per se since we simply DON'T KNOW HIS MOTIVES. We don't know why he's doing what he's doing. If, for example, he's doing what he's doing to try and create a better "life" for AIs, then I wouldn't call his motives ulterior at all even though he's using questionable methods to achieve that goal. Unless we KNOW why he's doing what he's doing, I won't call him anything other than someone to be careful around.

And I still do consider the Sun ending better because, yeah, V is still dying and Johnny's still not alive again, BUT V here does honor what JOHNNY wants her to do (he's definitely not happy with V crossing the bridge and he also doesn't seem all too enthusiastic about being alive again, at least that's the feeling I get watching the Temperance ending, probably because he feels like he failed doing what he wanted to do, which was save V). Probably just me but to me the Temperance ending's got kind of a subdued feeling, I'd even call it kinda depressed. Dunno. Just doesn't feel right. Kinda like "Well, just because you got the best possible outcome for yourself and your choom doesn't necessarily mean it's also actually a GOOD, HAPPY ending ..." - just doesn't feel like a good or happy ending to me, just kinda like Johnny and V both rolling over on their backs and giving up.

It has a darker undertone because Johnny is guilty because he's alive in V's body. But also consider what happens in The Devil, when V is left feeling empty with still remnants of Johnny left in their mind, along with what Johnny says to V before being wiped.

Both have become more like the other, they're not the same V and Johnny from the start of their adventure. It's not like a body swap exactly, the Relic just changes you and makes you more like the construct on the chip, but since the Relic in V's head was damaged, it wasn't working correctly, so it was changing both of them because it was such a long process when it's normally supposed to be relatively quick, basically overnight.

There's also the meaning behind Temperance, because it's a tarot card like the other endings, and understand the meaning behind the word is what makes it really a happy ending.
Temperance is represented (in the original Waite deck) as a figure, classically female, pouring water from one chalice into another, with one foot on land and the other in a pond, signifying balance. The name of the card itself is also a key to interpreting what the card means for you -- likened to tempering metals in a forge, becoming something new and better. Metals undergo extreme temperatures and take a beating, but the result is infinitely superior.
So in essence, it means that Johnny went through hell, but he's now a stronger and better person because of it, and in the context of the ending, he's determined to not let V's sacrifice go to waste. Unlike V, he can live in that body for the rest of its natural life, much longer than just an ambiguous and painful six months.
Temperance also advises you to identify and seek out missing ingredients in your life, and that you need to use every ability you know and do what needs to be done in order to achieve that, which is pretty much also alluding to why Johnny is leaving Night City. He's not running away, he's trying to get away from what led him to his self-destructive past and find something new with his second chance.