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Captain Skinny 2022 年 6 月 8 日 下午 5:43
The biggest plot hole in CP77
... is that somehow a sloppily hired nobody and his noisy friend get hired to work the highest profile heist in modern history, during which the most important/richest man in the world in murdered and you escape said scenario by running out of the building and into a well known and recognizable vehicle and then saunter home to your personal domicile
You can't do that today in the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and Twenty Two and that's because of iphones and ring doorbells.
How does it make even a lick of sense that V wasn't apprehended like... immediately. And if you feel you have an adequate explination for that, before presenting it I'd like to offer the simple equation: the full weight of the resources in place to keep V anonymous and hidden VS the full weight of the largest, most powerful, richest and least ethical corporation on the planet.
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Njorl 2022 年 6 月 10 日 下午 10:54 
引用自 Vela Darney
引用自 Captain Skinny
But... the people looking for you are not.

But - ARE they looking for you? All THEY might know is that you're rotting in a dump with a hole in your head, just like Dex. Or maybe Yorinobu doesn't WANT you to be found. Cos if you are, there's always a chance you might blurt out the truth of what happened and SOMEONE MIGHT believe you. And sending a killer commando after a small-scale merc might get the wrong kind of people wonder about the wrong kind of things and start digging. Don't forget Yorinobu's in quite a dangerous position himself until he and his faction manage to take over for good. Which they don't until the grand finale of the main story - that is, unless you side with Hanako and help her ruin Yorinobu's plans ...

I think that is mostly right. In fact, I'd say it's meant to be entirely right.
I think the story should have included V coming back to a tossed apartment. Arasaka security might be willing to accept that V, Jackie, Dex and Evie are dead, but they'd still toss their apartments, hack their computers, and threaten their contacts for any other information.

Also, as I stated above. Nobody has to believe you. Arasaka has the tech to pull the truth out of your brain.
Graf Erik 2022 年 6 月 11 日 下午 1:13 
I'ma just going to add my 2ct here without reading through all of that.

The plot seems to have a plot hole... until you understand the plot.

V gets hired because he is a expandable nobody. Yeah, yeah I know, 'We're major league now baby!'. Its a lie, Dex fooled you. He told you that you're getting the job because you're soooo awesome, but the truth is, nobody else was stupid enough to take that gig. Not against Arasaka and certainly not for Dex who got a really terrible image in the city.
Now take a deep breath and think trough what your job actually was: Go through the front door of Konpeki Plaza, check in, go to your room, unpack the flathead, wait a bit, take the elevator up, grab the relic and walk out. A 5 year old could have done that... if everyting goes according to plan. If ANYTHING goes wrong you're completly shaftet. Thats why you were hired. Dex's plan B is to shoot you in the head and leave town asap.

Why doesn't Arasaka hunt down V?
Oh, they totaly do for the first few minutes/hours... until Yorinobu has evereything under control.
Tokamura shows up at the dump site almost immediatly, he got Dex before he could leave town. He reports that he has found you... and now it gets a bit complicated.
You see Arasaka is not one person, its THE biggest corpo out there. What happens is that the new boss of Arasaka sends a death squad to take out Tokemura, so that he and you can't be questioned about the murder of his dad. That failes but it doesn't matter much, as long as you two don't just walk in through the front door of Arasaka Tower (and if you do he can just order to kill you).
Oh, he certainly would rather see you dead, but more importantly he doesn't want to put a focus on you. Sure, you know he killed his dead, but guess what: Noone will belive you as long as he simply ignores you.
Arasaka security isn't hunting you, because Yorinobu doesn't want them to find you. He can just pretend you are dead, thats almost as good as if you were really dead. Think about it: You tell it both Hanako and Oda. How do they react? "Yeah, well, maybe, but even if... who cares"
Yorinobu also couldn't care less about the relic anymore. He doesn't need it anymore, and it should be destroyed anyway (you left the case in Konpeki Plaza). Noone is looking for the relic because only Yorinobu knows about it and he dont want to put attention on it.
tyke 2022 年 6 月 11 日 下午 1:27 
引用自 Graf Erik
I'ma just going to add my 2ct here without reading through all of that.

The plot seems to have a plot hole... until you understand the plot.

V gets hired because he is a expandable nobody. Yeah, yeah I know, 'We're major league now baby!'. Its a lie, Dex fooled you. He told you that you're getting the job because you're soooo awesome, but the truth is, nobody else was stupid enough to take that gig. Not against Arasaka and certainly not for Dex who got a really terrible image in the city.
Now take a deep breath and think trough what your job actually was: Go through the front door of Konpeki Plaza, check in, go to your room, unpack the flathead, wait a bit, take the elevator up, grab the relic and walk out. A 5 year old could have done that... if everyting goes according to plan. If ANYTHING goes wrong you're completly shaftet. Thats why you were hired. Dex's plan B is to shoot you in the head and leave town asap.

Why doesn't Arasaka hunt down V?
Oh, they totaly do for the first few minutes/hours... until Yorinobu has evereything under control.
Tokamura shows up at the dump site almost immediatly, he got Dex before he could leave town. He reports that he has found you... and now it gets a bit complicated.
You see Arasaka is not one person, its THE biggest corpo out there. What happens is that the new boss of Arasaka sends a death squad to take out Tokemura, so that he and you can't be questioned about the murder of his dad. That failes but it doesn't matter much, as long as you two don't just walk in through the front door of Arasaka Tower (and if you do he can just order to kill you).
Oh, he certainly would rather see you dead, but more importantly he doesn't want to put a focus on you. Sure, you know he killed his dead, but guess what: Noone will belive you as long as he simply ignores you.
Arasaka security isn't hunting you, because Yorinobu doesn't want them to find you. He can just pretend you are dead, thats almost as good as if you were really dead. Think about it: You tell it both Hanako and Oda. How do they react? "Yeah, well, maybe, but even if... who cares"
Yorinobu also couldn't care less about the relic anymore. He doesn't need it anymore, and it should be destroyed anyway (you left the case in Konpeki Plaza). Noone is looking for the relic because only Yorinobu knows about it and he dont want to put attention on it.
none of that makes sense, especially when start talking about doesn't want to put a focus on you don't know what universe you're from but the boss of a super megacorp doesn't put a focus on anyone by eliminating them.

and not only if it were written it its laughable covering for why they can't expand the story, not only it doesn't cover why V behaves the way does, but where is any of this in the game? it's just head canon mental gymnastics.
Graf Erik 2022 年 6 月 11 日 下午 1:41 
引用自 tyke
none of that makes sense, especially when start talking about doesn't want to put a focus on you don't know what universe you're from but the boss of a super megacorp doesn't put a focus on anyone by eliminating them.
Sigh. Do I really have to dumb it down some more?

Arasaka, as is Arasaka Security might have an interest in finding the murderer of Saburo Araska (which they migh suspect to be you), but that doesn't matter.
That's because the new CEO of Araska, Yorinobu Arasaka doesn't have an interest in them finding the murderer, because its him.
It doesn't get any more simple than that.
tyke 2022 年 6 月 11 日 下午 1:46 
引用自 Graf Erik
引用自 tyke
none of that makes sense, especially when start talking about doesn't want to put a focus on you don't know what universe you're from but the boss of a super megacorp doesn't put a focus on anyone by eliminating them.
Sigh. Do I really have to dumb it down some more?

Arasaka, as is Arasaka Security might have an interest in finding the murderer of Saburo Araska (which they migh suspect to be you), but that doesn't matter.
That's because the new CEO of Araska, Yorinobu Arasaka doesn't have an interest in them finding the murderer, because its him.
It doesn't get any more simple than that.
ironic you talking about dumbing things down, instead you need to think more intelligently and critically about what is being discussed, considering you're talking about this like it's a drama between some powerless peasants in a village and not a powerful megacorp with various units and factions and complex procedures and many units with different loyalties with high operational security and even kill switch procedures which eliminate any knowledge of any operations.

the reason you can't understand the plothole is because you keep dumbing it down to things like "arasaka security" wtf is "arasaka security"???? this megacorp with various factions and which will have dozens of different wetworks units with different operational security operandis and loyalties to different factions just has some "arasaka security"???

it doesn't get anymore simple than that
but you need to stop thinking in these incredibly simple minded terms you are. you don't need to dumb things down for me, you need to catch up about the sort of world and the sort of firm we're talking about - the lack of capabilities and organisation you're talking about not only isn't an issue in our world, but it wasn't an issue really in any point of human civilisation.

and there's still the core issue
WHY WOULD V RETURN TO HER APARTMENT?

doesn't have an interest in them finding the murderer, because its him.
just most bizarrely vapid mental gymnastics. it's an issue of minimising risk, and simply eliminating that loose end is obvious thing to do. no one is talking about
yorinobu wants to find the murdered
lmao
最后由 tyke 编辑于; 2022 年 6 月 11 日 下午 1:48
tyke 2022 年 6 月 11 日 下午 2:17 
Let's talk of Arasaka a bit. Arasaka isn't merely what we have today where there could be a power struggle within an intelligence agency and then there are assassinations in this civil conflict where the assassins simply do what they are told to and there is no intelligence trace left within the organisation of those orders being given and any unit of the agency having ever conducted any assassination - arasaka is way beyond that.

Today you can have an issue that an organisation comes up with a plan to conduct a terror strike against itself as a false flag, and no one in the organisation except one or two know that's what happened as everyone involve in conducting the fake terrorist strike is so compartmentalised and working on a need-to-know basis and such high degrees of operational security that everyone involved in organising the fake terrorist strike wouldn't even be able to piece it together, and if they ever got an inclining it would be more than their life's worth to pursue it.

Cyberpunk 2077 is a dystopian world of ruthless megacorps with their own armies, special forces, assassins, spies, with chilling powers far beyond what we know in our humble innocent world today.

https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Arasaka

Over the years, it has developed a dark reputation as a corporation that is to be feared and one which covers its tracks using assassins, an army of lawyers, as well as an alleged connection to the Yakuza.[6][7]
...
Arasaka and its subsidiaries during the a majority of it's life from 2013 to 2045 employed more than one million people around the world. Three quarters are executives, researchers, counter intelligence, and various workers, both office and factory, from Arasaka and its many sub-corporations. The rest are troops of one kind or another, including guards, soldiers and agents. The troops are divided more or less as follows: 100,000 are Arasaka soldiers and special forces combat teams, 200,000 are guards for industrial contracting, bodyguards and advisers and 5000 are undercover agents, assassins and spies.
...
When the corporation gets wind of someone sniffing around in the wrong place, or when someone finds out something they shouldn't, the local Arasaka office will arrange for them to have an accident. If it is a particularly sensitive mission the home office in Tokyo will be contacted to prep a special operation to deal with the problem. By and large, most local offices are more than adequately equipped and staffed to handle such tasks. In the past reporters have attempted to write an autobiography of Hanako Arasaka without the consent of the family, Saburo took great offense to this and had the reporter eliminated

Typically, great pains will be taken to see that a black operation is not connected with Arasaka unless the corporation wants to make an example of the target. There are, however, times when Arasaka goes out of its way to advertise its involvement in an operation. This is usually when it is retaliating against some person, group or other corporation that has publicly infringed against it. Arasaka also has a policy of visibly assassinating individuals and assaulting corporations that breach security at installations protected by Arasaka contracts. In these situations Arasaka is powerful and ruthless, maintaining its reputation as a persistent and deadly adversary.

Arasaka's black ops and political and financial influence had come of age in the world of 2020, giving the corporation far reaching influence across the world. Hundreds of influential politicians and agents at all levels of government and in every important country in the world are in Arasaka's pocket. Thousands of influential and wealthy private citizens, police departments and corporate executives are also under Arasaka's control. Arasaka already has more financial power in the industrialized world than any other single corporation. If it weren't for other corporate alliances arrayed against it, it might have been the single most powerful factor on Earth.

Like most megacorporations, Arasaka is frequently accused of unethical practice such as blackmail, bribery, extortion, and hiring mercenaries for covert, illegal operations. These mercenary operations could include suppressing legal demonstrations, assassinations, and abductions of high-level corporate experts and officials.


To suggest that Yorinobu, the head of a large faction and many interests within Arasaka, is so powerless and incompetent that he's worried about how it might look to... someone (ignore everything about the world and such an organisation and it's robot assassins and wetworks teams with kill switches and memory wipes in their brain along with having control over police, press, politicians etc to shape any event any way that they want), and so he leaves possible witnesses to him murdering his father alive, who possible have VIDEO RECORDING OF HIM DOING IT, who HAVE THE SOUL KILLER, which would be disastrous if another rival corporation got it, or who knows how it could come back to bite him..... just..... let's it go..... Truly pathetic. It's an insult to the whole world of 2077 and everything about it.

Yorinobu will have his own court advising him, his own top level intelligence teams, many of them, analysing strategies, operating on need-to-know basis, highest level operational security, compartmentalised, and in this world they'll even have memory wipes and kill switches in their head and a circle of surveillance on what they know, highly complex detailed computer model simulations of strategies to minimise risk.

but nevermind any of that, the geniuses are here to inform people who they haven't thought it's actually just yorinobu is sort of a nice guy and errr arasaka is actually concerned about its reputation and ummm you know like what if it's like drawing someones attention to something if yorinobu deals with such a critical dangerous loose end lol. it's laughable.
\Forever Alone/ 2022 年 6 月 11 日 下午 3:54 
Also want to also say this. I agree lot with tyke. Lets just ignore whole Arasaka evil corpo thing. Go to whole well Arasaka does not care nor leadership does not want V killed. Have you ever taken look at modern and medieval power play.... Kill one person his allies will go get vengeance. Even more mere peasant harms all powerful individual..

Richard I of England death story. Peasant went get vengeance upon Richard I of England for killing his family. He show crossbow to king shoulder and caused him die with in week. Where king spared his live before dying. When king died some random mercenary captain went to this peasant. Flayed him alive and when peasant died hanged his corpse.

Now ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ look even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up people. Loot up power politics of tyrants and those who holds the power. Arasaka is one of top of cruel ruthless corporations full of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up ♥♥♥♥. Where peasants call him Emperor etc... Before you say well leadership said Stop looking at this info... Well take look at Takamura and Hanako´s security guards. They are so brainwashed to this leadership that Takamura betrays current leader because samurai honor to Suboru... Not even going whole losing money because death of Suboru.

So whole story is silly when it comes V escaping Arasaka wraith. Truth most likely is devs at CD red did not have time to make chasing enemy in game. As when game released and even now AI cannot support car chases, chases, Bike driving, and anything complex from AI. Even now. So they cut lot of stuff. Like water physics.

Also whole issue cheating in game romance options breaks story lot.
最后由 \Forever Alone/ 编辑于; 2022 年 6 月 11 日 下午 4:02
tyke 2022 年 6 月 11 日 下午 4:45 
引用自 \Forever Alone/
Also want to also say this. I agree lot with tyke. Lets just ignore whole Arasaka evil corpo thing. Go to whole well Arasaka does not care nor leadership does not want V killed. Have you ever taken look at modern and medieval power play.... Kill one person his allies will go get vengeance. Even more mere peasant harms all powerful individual..

Richard I of England death story. Peasant went get vengeance upon Richard I of England for killing his family. He show crossbow to king shoulder and caused him die with in week. Where king spared his live before dying. When king died some random mercenary captain went to this peasant. Flayed him alive and when peasant died hanged his corpse.

Now ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ look even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up people. Loot up power politics of tyrants and those who holds the power. Arasaka is one of top of cruel ruthless corporations full of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up ♥♥♥♥. Where peasants call him Emperor etc... Before you say well leadership said Stop looking at this info... Well take look at Takamura and Hanako´s security guards. They are so brainwashed to this leadership that Takamura betrays current leader because samurai honor to Suboru... Not even going whole losing money because death of Suboru.

So whole story is silly when it comes V escaping Arasaka wraith. Truth most likely is devs at CD red did not have time to make chasing enemy in game. As when game released and even now AI cannot support car chases, chases, Bike driving, and anything complex from AI. Even now. So they cut lot of stuff. Like water physics.

Also whole issue cheating in game romance options breaks story lot.
True, it's also an issue of other factions of Hanako and Hato. If Yorinobu just wanted to leave it pure chance and hope for the best, which is absurd idea of how people in such positions of power operate, especially corporate professionals experts at dealing with situations and minimising risks and covering any traces of anything and leaving nothing to chance but will turn over every stone and cover everything they can to gain as much control as possible over a situation - yorinobu won't merely want v dead, yorinobu will want v interrogated and get every piece of information out of V's head, but also the other factions within Arasaka will be investigating what happened using all their resources to collect all the intel and follow up absolutely everything that happened when Saburo died.

Not only we're dealing with Yorinobu, along with his own advisors, which he will have - strange to write such a story and there's no one close to him advising him, no loyalists to him, even though he does have loyalists in the game, and just doesn't make any sense as impossible task to be in such position of power and taking on other factions yet not have your own advisors and all the resources to advise you, simply cannot compete with Hanako and Hato who will have large teams of intelligence and agents aiding them and strategising.

And especially when it comes to soul killer, which is crazy this dismissal of it doesn't matter anymore - it doesn't matter if millitech get their hands on soul killer? it doesn't matter if Kang Tao get their hands on soul killer?
Just like V, it doesn't matter if Hanako or Hato or Militech or Kang Tao capture V? All the information they could possibly get out of V.

Even if such a thing were in the story of Yorinobu just doesn't care and the whole story is such a joke Yorinobu that has apparently no access to any operation which can simply get a job done on a need-to-know basis but instead it's apparently just "Arasaka Security" like it's Yorinobu going to some wild west hamlet's sherrif and his deputy lol, to do something simple like capture or eliminate V and so therefore Yorinobu decides to just leave it to chance, which i can't remember anything in the story along those lines, instead what's in the story is V fighting Arasaka Exterminators, it makes no sense why V would return to her apartment.

In fact yorinobu sent a team to hanakos location to kill everyone, hanako says that of yorinobu sent arasaka troops to kill hanako, and so yorinobu was so confident with his power that if an assault team had killed hanako then he'd be able to cover up and deal with that situation easily.

All V knows is
- just broke into arasaka building and got caught
- just watched yorinobu arasaka kill saburo arasaka
- had to fight out of arasaka building killing tons of arasaka soldiers
- stole one of the most sensitive pieces of tech from arasaka, which every major corp in the world would do terrible things and kill 1,000 people to get their hands on, and got caught doing it, and every corp knows something happened and will be investigating what happened
- been chased and almost killed by arasaka assassins

and what does V do? just go and chill at apartment.
Zebedee 2022 年 6 月 11 日 下午 8:26 
Because Arasaka doesn't know it's V. Takemura didn't tell them. At most they get a spoofed handprint (from the hotel) and staff recollections of what the arms dealers looked like. Takemura evidently managed to trace it back to Dex, and kills him. They get Jackie's body and a weird fragment of his consciousness which is recreated - and the hint is that's done by Hanako and Yorinobu doesn't know. The reason they don't know it's V is handwavey af, and applies also to V John Wayning their way around Night City, but it isn't a plot hole.
最后由 Zebedee 编辑于; 2022 年 6 月 11 日 下午 8:26
\Forever Alone/ 2022 年 6 月 12 日 上午 2:24 
引用自 Zebedee
Because Arasaka doesn't know it's V. Takemura didn't tell them. At most they get a spoofed handprint (from the hotel) and staff recollections of what the arms dealers looked like. Takemura evidently managed to trace it back to Dex, and kills him. They get Jackie's body and a weird fragment of his consciousness which is recreated - and the hint is that's done by Hanako and Yorinobu doesn't know. The reason they don't know it's V is handwavey af, and applies also to V John Wayning their way around Night City, but it isn't a plot hole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGnnXnU9Rgg

Takamura ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tells ARASAKA-SAMA "TAKAMURA IS SUBORUS PERSONAL GUARD!!!!" Also with in 1h Arasaka assasins attack V/takamura. If V is corpo he will tell what units they are.

At 5.29.13 Corpo V says they are troy exterminators.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRsUZoHB_VY

He has glowing eyes hes transferring info like all characters who do that. Like in Hanako taking secret contact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdztFiXqU6w
最后由 \Forever Alone/ 编辑于; 2022 年 6 月 12 日 上午 2:56
\Forever Alone/ 2022 年 6 月 12 日 上午 2:46 
引用自 tyke
引用自 \Forever Alone/
Also want to also say this. I agree lot with tyke. Lets just ignore whole Arasaka evil corpo thing. Go to whole well Arasaka does not care nor leadership does not want V killed. Have you ever taken look at modern and medieval power play.... Kill one person his allies will go get vengeance. Even more mere peasant harms all powerful individual..

Richard I of England death story. Peasant went get vengeance upon Richard I of England for killing his family. He show crossbow to king shoulder and caused him die with in week. Where king spared his live before dying. When king died some random mercenary captain went to this peasant. Flayed him alive and when peasant died hanged his corpse.

Now ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ look even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up people. Loot up power politics of tyrants and those who holds the power. Arasaka is one of top of cruel ruthless corporations full of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up ♥♥♥♥. Where peasants call him Emperor etc... Before you say well leadership said Stop looking at this info... Well take look at Takamura and Hanako´s security guards. They are so brainwashed to this leadership that Takamura betrays current leader because samurai honor to Suboru... Not even going whole losing money because death of Suboru.

So whole story is silly when it comes V escaping Arasaka wraith. Truth most likely is devs at CD red did not have time to make chasing enemy in game. As when game released and even now AI cannot support car chases, chases, Bike driving, and anything complex from AI. Even now. So they cut lot of stuff. Like water physics.

Also whole issue cheating in game romance options breaks story lot.
True, it's also an issue of other factions of Hanako and Hato. If Yorinobu just wanted to leave it pure chance and hope for the best, which is absurd idea of how people in such positions of power operate, especially corporate professionals experts at dealing with situations and minimising risks and covering any traces of anything and leaving nothing to chance but will turn over every stone and cover everything they can to gain as much control as possible over a situation - yorinobu won't merely want v dead, yorinobu will want v interrogated and get every piece of information out of V's head, but also the other factions within Arasaka will be investigating what happened using all their resources to collect all the intel and follow up absolutely everything that happened when Saburo died.

Not only we're dealing with Yorinobu, along with his own advisors, which he will have - strange to write such a story and there's no one close to him advising him, no loyalists to him, even though he does have loyalists in the game, and just doesn't make any sense as impossible task to be in such position of power and taking on other factions yet not have your own advisors and all the resources to advise you, simply cannot compete with Hanako and Hato who will have large teams of intelligence and agents aiding them and strategising.

And especially when it comes to soul killer, which is crazy this dismissal of it doesn't matter anymore - it doesn't matter if millitech get their hands on soul killer? it doesn't matter if Kang Tao get their hands on soul killer?
Just like V, it doesn't matter if Hanako or Hato or Militech or Kang Tao capture V? All the information they could possibly get out of V.

Even if such a thing were in the story of Yorinobu just doesn't care and the whole story is such a joke Yorinobu that has apparently no access to any operation which can simply get a job done on a need-to-know basis but instead it's apparently just "Arasaka Security" like it's Yorinobu going to some wild west hamlet's sherrif and his deputy lol, to do something simple like capture or eliminate V and so therefore Yorinobu decides to just leave it to chance, which i can't remember anything in the story along those lines, instead what's in the story is V fighting Arasaka Exterminators, it makes no sense why V would return to her apartment.

In fact yorinobu sent a team to hanakos location to kill everyone, hanako says that of yorinobu sent arasaka troops to kill hanako, and so yorinobu was so confident with his power that if an assault team had killed hanako then he'd be able to cover up and deal with that situation easily.

All V knows is
- just broke into arasaka building and got caught
- just watched yorinobu arasaka kill saburo arasaka
- had to fight out of arasaka building killing tons of arasaka soldiers
- stole one of the most sensitive pieces of tech from arasaka, which every major corp in the world would do terrible things and kill 1,000 people to get their hands on, and got caught doing it, and every corp knows something happened and will be investigating what happened
- been chased and almost killed by arasaka assassins

and what does V do? just go and chill at apartment.

I agree. That i mean take look at more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up people in history. Stalin killed every member of Trotsky´s family members. Even distant cousin of Trotsky who had affair his close "comrade". cousin of Trotsky was killed and he said to his "comrade" don´t worry we will find new one.

People in authoritarian power cannot take hits even smallest scale order to maintain power. Reason why all these people bans jokes about them. Why smallest issue are turned into power politics issues. With ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Arasaka who lives honor play of Samurai times. People like this never leave any angle of attack and deflect all wrong doing. Even more other powerful influences are near. Militech, other corporations like biotech and with in house politics. Even Justinian 1 killed previous old royalty because his existence would cause issues with in future. After major riots where his power was in danger because political powers used racing hooligans to overthrow him. This old royalty was living peaceful peasant like and was dragged politics even thought he did not want involve in this. But people dragged him to power plays.

Just saying if arasaka were to leave such opening. I have to say Arasaka is weakest villain in history. When i played this game last time. I never saw corpos a threat. Do you know why? Because game was poorly done explaining evils if set setting.
Zebedee 2022 年 6 月 12 日 上午 7:37 
引用自 \Forever Alone/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGnnXnU9Rgg

Takamura ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tells ARASAKA-SAMA "TAKAMURA IS SUBORUS PERSONAL GUARD!!!!" Also with in 1h Arasaka assasins attack V/takamura. If V is corpo he will tell what units they are.

Listen/read to what is actually said... "I have found your father's killer... I'm sure it is him/her." He does not tell them "I found V. Yes, it's the one we were looking for."
Bogmore 2022 年 6 月 12 日 上午 8:04 
I also have wondered why Takemura doesn't try to take Dex to Arasaka as well instead of shooting him to find out who was behind the theft. I too noticed Takemura doesn't name V as Dex would have probably told him Vs name and the name of the person who hired him. I think they could have gotten to Evelyn before the voodoo boys hacked her.
最后由 Bogmore 编辑于; 2022 年 6 月 12 日 上午 8:04
\Forever Alone/ 2022 年 6 月 12 日 上午 9:19 
引用自 Zebedee
引用自 \Forever Alone/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGnnXnU9Rgg

Takamura ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tells ARASAKA-SAMA "TAKAMURA IS SUBORUS PERSONAL GUARD!!!!" Also with in 1h Arasaka assasins attack V/takamura. If V is corpo he will tell what units they are.

Listen/read to what is actually said... "I have found your father's killer... I'm sure it is him/her." He does not tell them "I found V. Yes, it's the one we were looking for."

He has yellow eyes and blue eyes hes transferring info. Same way Hanako does with his own servants. While Takamura says we will be there with in 1h with your father´s killer. Somehow before that assassins appear "Troy Terminators" From corpo V mount. Also he says he confirms its that assassin who killed Suboru. Also we are forgething whole Adam Smasher who can see V and Jackie thought that ventilation when Suboru comes visit his son. If you have that who can spot you module on it shows Adam knows your hiding there. "But that is potential bug also." But also he kinda keeps looking at player whole time.

Also jackies body also can tell all info about V... Like they sure knew Jackie would be Victors place to pick him up. Somehow they sure know everyone else expect V some strange reason. Even more everyone know whos shard that person hold. If my main enemy is getting rebirth to world. I would ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stop it any means. Like Silverhand is Arasaka bookie man.

引用自 Bogmore
I also have wondered why Takemura doesn't try to take Dex to Arasaka as well instead of shooting him to find out who was behind the theft. I too noticed Takemura doesn't name V as Dex would have probably told him Vs name and the name of the person who hired him. I think they could have gotten to Evelyn before the voodoo boys hacked her.

This ---> :steamthumbsup:. Why shoot him if he could give all Intel from him moments notice. They sure did some awful subject like Jackie but not V, Dexter, rest of crew...
最后由 \Forever Alone/ 编辑于; 2022 年 6 月 12 日 上午 9:25
Zebedee 2022 年 6 月 12 日 上午 9:25 
引用自 \Forever Alone/
He has yellow eyes and blue eyes hes transferring info.

What info do you think he's sending? (I don't think it necessarily means that, but just for argument's sake.) A photo? A video? With his camera eyes? The camera eyes no-one else in Night City can use to identify V? That's the handwavey bit. It's crap but it's not a plothole, it's explained.
最后由 Zebedee 编辑于; 2022 年 6 月 12 日 上午 9:26
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